Motorway merge fail??
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Agreed, but in this case until the driver actually turns into him the truck driver has no reason to believe he would actually do that does he? Fundamentally the truck driver has a split second to take evasive action once the car driver commits to making the lane change, by which point it's too late.
I do this all the time, back off to let people out, but if they don't take the space and start slowing down, what are you supposed to do?
This TBH, I'm getting sick of coming up behind people travelling down sliproads at 30 mph, then trying to join a busy DC or motorway, I have to slow right down to let them have a gap, then floor it to join with any sort of safe speed, I know not everyone is driving fast cars but the speeds and acceleration some people are doing just don't match up to the car. People like that and also people who swing straight out in to the outside lanes after joining, regardless if it's clear or not, are knobs.
I use that slip road coming home from work on my bike. At least the works should be finished on that bit of motorway soon if not already. Also I think the lorry was too close to the vehicle in front, could have left a bigger a gap knowing there is a slip road coming up. Car also hesitated but you really don't have much time and space coming onto the motorway there.
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that's what I thought too, lorry driver could see red car on left, and should have backed off from that car infront, too close to the one infront
That's exactly what you're saying no? That the ford driver should have stopped there and given way until the motorway was clear?Well done on failing to answer my question. What on earth does motorway congestion have to do with failing to give way causing an accident?
Step away from the crack pipe.
Because if you stop and yield to a busy motorway at the end of a slip road there is no way you're going to find a gap big enough or accelerate quick enough to be able to safely join, you would have to wait until it eases. Therefore you or anyone behind you will not be able to add to the traffic on the motorway. Consequently, if you're waiting on a slip road, you are not part of the motorway therefore not being part of the motorway means you are subtracting yourself and the people behind you from the congestion on the motorway thereby decreasing congestion. Cant believe I've just had to explain such simple cause and effect but hey ho
Furthermore the post which you're referring to me not answering the question contained within...:
...Contains absolutely no question(s) whatsoever. Therefore I can only assume you are ashamed by your own crack addiction (its okay I have a lot clients who are crack addicts I have nothing against them.)
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How can anyone think that this is the lorry drivers fault? At some point the car driver decided to steer right, into the lorry, which he knew (I hope?) was at the side of him. Nothing else really matters in the story a) Brake, b) hit some cones or c) steer into a lorry.. .hmmm
Pretty much this.
Steer into lorry or end up driving onto the hard shoulder/works area.
Option A didnt seem to work.
That's exactly what you're saying no? That the ford driver should have stopped there and given way until the motorway was clear?
Correct. Which country did you pass your driving test in?
That's exactly what you're saying no? That the ford driver should have stopped there and given way until the motorway was clear?
Because if you stop and yield to a busy motorway at the end of a slip road there is no way you're going to find a gap big enough or accelerate quick enough to be able to safely join, you would have to wait until it eases. Therefore you or anyone behind you will not be able to add to the traffic on the motorway. Consequently, if you're waiting on a slip road, you are not part of the motorway therefore not being part of the motorway means you are subtracting yourself and the people behind you from the congestion on the motorway thereby decreasing congestion. Cant believe I've just had to explain such simple cause and effect but hey ho
So your saying, effectively if the above is how you'd like things, if a fully loaded HGV can't join a fast flowing motorway by the time the slip road ends, he just pulls out anyway? A bit like the Ford driver did?
If you can't join the motorway, or indeed any other road from a slip, of course you stop and wait until it's clear & safe to do so!
Sorry asim18, but I shudder to think you may actually drive like that!
Has anyone actually said this? I may have missed it but I recall most saying the car is technically at fault but the lorry could easily have done more to avoid the accident too.
This just about sums things up here.
The Highway Code says you MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a give way junction.
All slip roads terminate at a give way junction, other than those that terminate at a traffic light controlled junction, or continue into a new lane.
That is a MUST instruction, not a maybe, or perhaps, or if you feel like it.
Failing to do so and causing an accident means you are liable for the accident.
The drivers all ready on the main road do not have to give way to joining traffic.
That argument is irrelevant, a car driver, at a give way junction, chose not to give way and drive into the flow of traffic causing a collision.
You wouldn't do it, I wouldn't do it, nobody else in this thread would do it.
Why? Because we would have given way to traffic already on the main road and waited for a time that was safe to join.
Yeah I know, I don't think people are really debating that - what they're saying is that the LGV driver could have helped avoid an incident but seemingly choose not to, or did not take sufficient action anyway.
Stopping on a sliproad joining a motorway is highly dangerous and is discouraged.
SHOULD not MUST as someone incorrectly quoted above, and give priority.
The main fault here is the failure of the red car to assess the road and drive accordingly, he left it too late and then made a bad call. The correct course of action would normally have been to follow the hard shoulder once it got to that point, slow down and join after the lorry, not an option in this case due to cones.
It was an emergency by the time he messed it up, it isn't just an option for joining the motorway under normal circumstance as is suggested by a few above, the guy behind looking over his shoulder to join will not know what he hit
Simple fact here is that the red car messed up badly and the lorry driver did nothing to help when he could have. Red car to blame, lorry was a belligerent idiot.
SHOULD not MUST as someone incorrectly quoted above, and give priority.
The main fault here is the failure of the red car to assess the road and drive accordingly, he left it too late and then made a bad call. The correct course of action would normally have been to follow the hard shoulder once it got to that point, slow down and join after the lorry, not an option in this case due to cones.
It was an emergency by the time he messed it up, it isn't just an option for joining the motorway under normal circumstance as is suggested by a few above, the guy behind looking over his shoulder to join will not know what he hit
Simple fact here is that the red car messed up badly and the lorry driver did nothing to help when he could have. Red car to blame, lorry was a belligerent idiot.
Stopping on a sliproad joining a motorway is highly dangerous and is discouraged.
SHOULD not MUST as someone incorrectly quoted above, and give priority.
The main fault here is the failure of the red car to assess the road and drive accordingly, he left it too late and then made a bad call. The correct course of action would normally have been to follow the hard shoulder once it got to that point, slow down and join after the lorry, not an option in this case due to cones.
It was an emergency by the time he messed it up, it isn't just an option for joining the motorway under normal circumstance as is suggested by a few above, the guy behind looking over his shoulder to join will not know what he hit
Simple fact here is that the red car messed up badly and the lorry driver did nothing to help when he could have. Red car to blame, lorry was a belligerent idiot.
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Case closed, end thread.