Mountain Biking

Struggling to find droppers with overall short length for a Small Transition Scout (31.6 seatpost). Currently it has a Brand-X Ascend which is approximately 410mm overall with 125mm of drop or something like that. Unfortunately about 75mm of post still has to poke out of the seat clamp because the linkage bolt gets in the way.

Current candidate is a 75mm Specialized Command IRCC post which comes in 30.9 diameter, with a shim to fit. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different standards for where they measure overall length (e.g. counting or not counting the little doodad actuator on the bottom of the post). The clearest example of this would be the fact that the FSA Gravity post originally fitted and the Brand X that replaced it are both ostensibly 410mm "overall length" yet the Brand X post allows for a saddle height at least an inch if not 2 inches lower.
 
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Struggling to find droppers with overall short length for a Small Transition Scout (31.6 seatpost). Currently it has a Brand-X Ascend which is approximately 410mm overall with 125mm of drop or something like that. Unfortunately about 75mm of post still has to poke out of the seat clamp because the linkage bolt gets in the way.

Current candidate is a 75mm Specialized Command IRCC post which comes in 30.9 diameter, with a shim to fit. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different standards for where they measure overall length (e.g. counting or not counting the little doodad actuator on the bottom of the post). The clearest example of this would be the fact that the FSA Gravity post originally fitted and the Brand X that replaced it are both ostensibly 410mm "overall length" yet the Brand X post allows for a saddle height at least an inch if not 2 inches lower.

The OneUp Components dropper is the shortest dropper made, lowest stack height too, and you can shim it down to any size drop. If that won't fit, nothing will!
 
Struggling to find droppers with overall short length for a Small Transition Scout (31.6 seatpost). Currently it has a Brand-X Ascend which is approximately 410mm overall with 125mm of drop or something like that. Unfortunately about 75mm of post still has to poke out of the seat clamp because the linkage bolt gets in the way.

Current candidate is a 75mm Specialized Command IRCC post which comes in 30.9 diameter, with a shim to fit. Unfortunately different manufacturers have different standards for where they measure overall length (e.g. counting or not counting the little doodad actuator on the bottom of the post). The clearest example of this would be the fact that the FSA Gravity post originally fitted and the Brand X that replaced it are both ostensibly 410mm "overall length" yet the Brand X post allows for a saddle height at least an inch if not 2 inches lower.


with 75mm of it sticking out and 125mm of seat post, is it too extended?

I probably have about that sticking out of mine.
 
Thanks for help guys, I had a look at the OneUp, unfortunately it's also a 125mm dropper with ~410mm overall length so that's about the same dimension as the Brand X.
Begbie I'm not sure I understood your question, the seatpost sticks up too much out of the seatpost clamp, there's 2-3" of seatpost housing between the clamp and the dropper's sealing collar. It does not go any further into the seat tube as the linkage bolt or bend get in the way. If I can get a dropper that is overall shorter by that much (the length from the cable clamp to the collar), that will solve the problem.
It looks like the project might be dead anyway because my girlfriend asked me not to get a new dropper, she'll deal with the current saddle height or put a normal post in.
FYI, if anyone looks at Small Transition Scouts, you'll never be able to run a dropper post slammed to the seat tube clamp.
 
I was considering it as well as it is probably 15 minutes further than Cannock for me.
But I read it was quite flat and decided to hunt in a little more detail.

I can say this video (review) has completely put me off the idea.


I really like it there, the bike park section isn't too bad but its not worth driving more than 30 minutes for. Unless your just starting out then its probably worth an hour drive to train up there as the trails are very easy but still fun.
 
Thanks for help guys, I had a look at the OneUp, unfortunately it's also a 125mm dropper with ~410mm overall length so that's about the same dimension as the Brand X.
Begbie I'm not sure I understood your question, the seatpost sticks up too much out of the seatpost clamp, there's 2-3" of seatpost housing between the clamp and the dropper's sealing collar. It does not go any further into the seat tube as the linkage bolt or bend get in the way. If I can get a dropper that is overall shorter by that much (the length from the cable clamp to the collar), that will solve the problem.
It looks like the project might be dead anyway because my girlfriend asked me not to get a new dropper, she'll deal with the current saddle height or put a normal post in.
FYI, if anyone looks at Small Transition Scouts, you'll never be able to run a dropper post slammed to the seat tube clamp.

Ok, just to help out there might be a way a different post will work. From what I understand, the Brand X 120mm dropper with the post all the way into the seat tube, means a seat height that's too high for your girlfriend? She shouldn't need to endure this, it'll make life uncomfortable. She could always look for some thicker pedals or shorter cranks, as this would effectively shorten the seat height, but there might another way.

As you've said the seat tube length on the bike is very short, the brand-x 120mm dropper is 229mm from bottom of the collar to the bottom of the connector. The Oneup 150mm is 255mm for the same measurement. So the Oneup Dropper would actually sit 100mm out the seat post, 25mm more. However...

Stack height is what's important. The Brand X has a stack height (bottom of collar to the seat rails) of 183mm. The Oneup (150mm remember) is 187mm. So based on the increased length of the insertion, that's now 29mm too high. Plus lets say 20mm that she needs to reduce the seat height by, so it needs to drop 50mm at full height. Well, that's what the Oneup Dropper can do. With the shim it'll go down to 100mm travel, so 137mm stack height.

So basically the OneUp post set at 100mm, even though it will have 25mm more of the post out the seat tube, will be 237mm from top of seat tube to saddle rails. The Brand X 120mm is 258mm from seat collar to saddle rails, so 20mm shorter. If you then found some thicker pedals, or maybe some thicker soled shoes, and maybe a lower profile saddle that could add another 10/20mm, or more. The only other option as you've said is to look for a 100mm or lower drop post.

Best thing to do is get the current dropper and adjust it so it's at the perfect height, then measure from the seat tube collar on the frame, to the rails. Once you know this figure you can see what might fit, and stack height is as important as insertion length.

HTH :)

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The Fox transfer 100mm could work. Insertion length inc actuator is 223mm, so that's 70mm post showing. Stack height is 161mm, giving total height above the frame of 231mm. Only a few mm different to the OneUp, but still shorter. You can see how the stack height is a very important number.
 
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I'm looking for my first mountain bike, c£1-1.5k, will mainly be used for cross-country riding (and possibly racing down the line) but also some not too technical downhill. Thinking a hardtail with 27.5" wheels is the way to go and I've seen a good deal on a Cube Reaction TM. Am I in the right sort of ballpark here or are there other bikes I should be looking at?
 
I'm looking for my first mountain bike....... will mainly be used for cross-country riding (and possibly racing down the line) but also some not too technical downhill...

That's 3 very different disciplines there. With not one bike being a do it all solution... Take racing out of it (unless you mean enduro racing like) and you've got some good options around the £1100 mark.

Seriously though, take a look at the classifieds of ebay/gumtree/pinkbike. there's some absolute bargains to be had.
 
I think XC racing is probably what I'm looking at but all the different terms are confusing to a noob like myself. Similar to whatever the Olympic MTB discipline is. There's a local series up here call MTB Madness that is mainly short-ish off road circuit racing but on terrain that is too rocky/technical for a cyclocross bike. It'd be that sort of thing.

I'm a roadie at heart so more happy going uphill than down and not going to be chucking myself off a mountain in a full face helmet any time soon.
 
That one looks a little more trail orientated compared to being a full on XC bike.

I like the look of the Orbea Alma H30 £1100 which comes in a 1x12 Eagle variant or 2 x 11 XT'ish drivetrain and are more of an XC geometry.

If I had the cash I'd try get onto the H10 with a better fork(Reba vs Recon) and get it in the green colour as it's the coolest :)
 
I’ve got the Pro 29’er. Got it through C2W so only really cost me £550’ish. Great bike. It’s handled everything I’ve thrown at it, north wales, lakes, Peak District. For the price the kit level is way above what you’d expect. I hadn’t ridden a bike for 30yrs and couldn’t believe the advances that had been made.

It’s very light, a few mates have tried it, they ride Santa Cruz and Yeti and they were all very impressed with it for the price I paid.
 
Cool thanks for that, sounds pretty positive.

I'm also looking at the Trek Roscoe 8 which is a slightly different beast but has a really good spec and could accommodate 29" wheels in the future if I wanted to go down the XC racing route.
 
I've got the 2018 Roscoe 8 27.5 and it's been great fun. Gearing is spot on for me. I've done about 2k miles and only thing to break is the freehub. Rear is a 141 QR on mine so it's really limited in terms of upgrades.
 
I've got the 2018 Roscoe 8 27.5 and it's been great fun. Gearing is spot on for me. I've done about 2k miles and only thing to break is the freehub. Rear is a 141 QR on mine so it's really limited in terms of upgrades.


That has the 2.8 27.5's doesn't it? Any thoughts on what tyres you might get when it comes time to replace them? I am running 2.8 myself on a Whyte 905 but haven't had to replace the tyres just yet.
 
Just commuter and basic trail biking for me so nothing special, barely even mid end, but just to add something.

Got quoted almost £250 to repair my trusty old Kona Blast Deluxe 2009 for a total chain set replacement, bottom bracket, etc, basically anything I can't fix as am only good with brakes and tyres. They were trying it on a bit, but not much as it legit needed a new chainset etc, likely £150 worth of work needed.

Remembered that prior year end of line bikes are especially good value this time of year, so for not much more than double my money for the potential repair, I got this Bergamont 2018 Revox 7 beauty with the similarly specced 2019 model going for £900 right now, almost double what I paid for the 2018.

Turns out I couldn't even find a 26er any more so went for a 29er with a large frame as always felt I could use more room.

Easily the biggest biking upgrade I've ever had - 29ers are awesome, it fits my frame so much better and gives more of an upper body workout. Absolutely flies up and down hills on rough or smooth tracks.

Going from 26 to 29 feels like an SSD upgrade from an old HD, it really feels that different, am riding faster on all surfaces due to the increased wheel size - can actually prove it too as plenty of speed cams around me pick up bike speed, am doing 2 mph or more cruising with same effort put in.

Only got it on Monday and already put in some decent rides, absolutely loving it, for what I paid the spec is incredibly good value, seat a little low in these pics, ended up raising it another inch or so.



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Happy new bike!

Seems like a really good spec for the money. You'll benefit from a better fork further down the line but should be fine for now. M7000 drivetrain for a £500 bike is very good value.
 
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