Mourinho Sacked! Solskjær new interim manager

[Admiral Huddy]

I am so happy about this. Mourinho has ruined football for us fans, the absolute tool.

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I never understood the appointment in the first place, given the history he had with Man U while he was at Chelsea.. It kind of reminded me of the must absurd appointment of all, when Spurs hired Graham.

 

[BaZ87]

Moyes was by all accounts Fergusons choice. LvG wasn't necessarily a bad choice at the time but his style of football proved ultimately ineffective in the pursuit of trophies. Mourinho again made a reasonable amount of sense as he was a big personality and had won everything and would command the respect of the players. There is always the lure of a manager who brings success but also is hard to work with. Woodwards ego will have loved the idea that United and him were the ones that turned Mourinho into a one club manager.

I really hope we get it right and I think the sacking of Mourinho has shown that we are finally dropping this stupid idea that we are Man Utd and we don't sack underperforming managers. You stick with a manager who is improving when results aren't what you want. You don't stick with a manager who is regressing and destroying the team and the clubs support base.

I reckon Blanc until the end of the season and we will try to steal Poch but I'm not sure it will happen.

None of the appointments made sense because nobody at the top knew what they were doing. You appointed two managers that have a history/track record of building for the future and then sacked them within 1 and then 2 seasons.

Utd as a club got complacent from the day the Glazers bought the club. Through the work of Taggart and the lack of competition for the top 4 spots, Utd were able to coast along and make the top 4 each year without too much fuss. You went with Moyes because the club thought he would follow in Fergie's footsteps - he had a history of building for the future and was a manager that was notoriously careful with transfers - the ideal fit for the Glazers. The job was too big for him though and rather than back him and their idea, once Utd saw the CL football gravy train coming to a halt they panicked and sacked him. They then went for a similar fit, although with more experience and a bit more controversy with LVG - again though, when you missed out on the CL he had to go too. What's the point of appointing managers with the view to build for the long term if you're going to sack them because of short term results? Do you believe that if Liverpool missed out on the CL 18 months ago on the final day that Klopp would have been sacked? Not a chance.

We then come to Mourinho. I am all but certain that Utd wanted to avoid him at all costs. Both from a greedy Glazers point of view and that of the football club, style of play and his ego, everything about Mourinho wasn't right for Utd. The board panicked again though and saw him as a safe bet to establish Utd as a regular in the top 4 but ultimately the way they want to run the club/business is at complete odds to the way he manages and this was always going to end this way. It ended the same way at Chelsea first time round, even with Abramovic ****ing money up the wall - how else was it going to end when the Glazers didn't want to spend a penny more than required to make top 4?

If you're Poch right now would you go to Utd? Ignoring the fact that it's looking very unlikely that Utd make the top 4 and will be in the CL next season, what reasons are there for him to leave Spurs for Utd? He'll get a payrise and he'll get £100m odd to spend in the summer but what structure is in place for him to walk into at Utd? Is he going to be expected to keep Pogba (for example) because Utd spent so much on him even if he maybe doesn't want him? Will he find himself out of a job in 12 months if Utd finish 5 next season?

It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Mourinho's and he massively underperformed at Utd but there are also massive issues at the top for Utd too and until they're put right you're going to stay in this cycle of rince and repeat. I mentioned yesterday, any new manager is going to inherit a mishmash of a squad with so many players not suitable to playing how a Poch or similar wants to play. If Utd go for that sort of manager then there might be some pain along the way before things can improve but will they back him or will they sack him for not meeting short term targets?

 

[spudbynight]

I think Zidane will get the permanent job at the end of the season. I also think he will do really badly.

I think Benitez would be perfect. He doesn’t have a hope of being hired though.

 

[Robbo]

Just seen Pochettino's press conference, he didn't exactly say he wouldn't want the job in the summer, just that he's focused on Spurs at the moment and there are always rumours. Interesting.

If you're Poch right now would you go to Utd? Ignoring the fact that it's looking very unlikely that Utd make the top 4 and will be in the CL next season, what reasons are there for him to leave Spurs for Utd? He'll get a payrise and he'll get £100m odd to spend in the summer but what structure is in place for him to walk into at Utd? Is he going to be expected to keep Pogba (for example) because Utd spent so much on him even if he maybe doesn't want him? Will he find himself out of a job in 12 months if Utd finish 5 next season?

You are right, the next appointment will not succeed without the top level of the club being sorted out. But surely that has to be something that is now under serious review.

 

[inogen]

I think Pochettino is going to Madrid. This just inflates his wages.

 

[fez]

Are you contracted to do x job for y years for z wage?

No, most people are just on a permanent contract and if they do an awful job they get fired without a huge severance. Especially if he came out with all the damaging comments Mourinho has over the past 6-8 months.

Salty

Neville has been salty about any manager sackings since he was a manager and got sacked. I get the feeling he knows its a hard job and blames the players for his exit.

Good news that he's been sacked, I think the timing of the sacking is probably due to the January transfer window. If they'd already decided to sack him then they weren't going to give him any money in January and probably didn't want to have to deal with his whining when he didn't get any money to spend. Blanc would be a good caretaker manager until the end of the season, then it will be interesting to see who United get in the summer.

I think they did it for a number of reasons. Awful football, fans in fairly open revolt, players values dropping, players wanting out in January potentially, players not signing new contracts because of Mourinho. There was literally no benefit to keeping Mourinho at this point and we have a run of easy games at the moment so a caretaker can come in without facing super hard games immediately.

Gary Neville saying the club has to go all out for Poch when possible.

I agree that Poch would be the best candidate but i'm not sure we will get him away from Spurs.

It's a bit sad that since SAF left it seems like I've spent more time wanting our managers sacked than enjoying the football. But I don't think I or the fanbase have been particularly unreasonable. You can't honestly say that Moyes, LvG or Mourinho were good appointments or did a good job worthy of keeping the position. It doesn't take years to implement your philosophy, whatever that may be.

The United fanbase has been frankly amazing with all the managers. Imagine if this was Bayern, Madrid, Barca etc. Mourinho would have been gone by October if not earlier.

SAF is also part of the reason we are having the issues are are now. He did a bit of a Zidane and bowed out when it was clear that we were heading towards a rebuild. United hadn't had the best squad for years when Fergie left and huge holes were apparent in the first XI but Fergie was a good enough coach and United still had most teams going to play us already half beaten.

Not many sides would do well if:

Your manager of over 20 years leaves
The structure around him disbands
You leave an average team with ageing players
Most of your senior players and leaders leave within a few seasons
You hire a mid-table at best manager with limited potential and a complete underestimation of the task he was given.

 

[BaZ87]

Just seen Pochettino's press conference, he didn't exactly say he wouldn't want the job in the summer, just that he's focused on Spurs at the moment and there are always rumours. Interesting.

For the past 12 months Poch swings from committing to Spurs to flirting with other clubs. While I'm certain that he'd be interested in listening to what Utd (and Real) had to offer, he's also just sending a message to Levy for next summer. Poch is in a position where he'll be linked with any big job coming available and he appears smart enough not to rush into anything - if the circumstances aren't right then I can see him swerving both Utd and Real because he knows that he could take either job about be sacked within 12 months.

On another note, you can now look forward to Duncan Castles criticising any new Utd manager and every player religiously for the next 12 months!

 

[Robbo]

On another note, you can now look forward to Duncan Castles criticising any new Utd manager and every player religiously for the next 12 months!

Yeah

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Certainly sounds like it's going to be Blanc until the summer, then a Director of Football, followed by Poch/Simeone/whoever suits. No reason Blanc couldn't keep the job if he did well I suppose.

 

[fez]

None of the appointments made sense because nobody at the top knew what they were doing. You appointed two managers that have a history/track record of building for the future and then sacked them within 1 and then 2 seasons.

Moyes has 0 history of building for the future. He was an average manager at an average club doing an average job. No aspect of his management was above average. LvG had done well in the past but 2 seasons is enough to see if a manager is on the right track. Klopp is a prime example of a manager who hasn't done anything at Liverpool. Should he be sacked? Of course not because Liverpool are showing progress. This idea that a rebuild takes 5 years and you put up with 4 years of **** then suddenly it all comes good is bizarre. This doesn't happen. No one does this. If you are on the right path as a manager you will improve but be erratic.

Utd as a club got complacent from the day the Glazers bought the club. Through the work of Taggart and the lack of competition for the top 4 spots, Utd were able to coast along and make the top 4 each year without too much fuss. You went with Moyes because the club thought he would follow in Fergie's footsteps - he had a history of building for the future and was a manager that was notoriously careful with transfers - the ideal fit for the Glazers. The job was too big for him though and rather than back him and their idea, once Utd saw the CL football gravy train coming to a halt they panicked and sacked him. They then went for a similar fit, although with more experience and a bit more controversy with LVG - again though, when you missed out on the CL he had to go too. What's the point of appointing managers with the view to build for the long term if you're going to sack them because of short term results? Do you believe that if Liverpool missed out on the CL 18 months ago on the final day that Klopp would have been sacked? Not a chance.

How anyone can suggest Moyes was building for the future or is a manager with a track record of that is beyond me so I won't even get into that. The idea that managers are fired if they don't get CL is also a fallacy. Managers get fired because their lack of top 4 is just a very easy metric to put into a contract to allow the club to part ways with a manager who isn't working. Moyes and LvG got fired because they were not showing any signs that they could improve the team. Exciting football? No. Players enjoying their football? No. Players wanting to join United under these managers? No. Results? No.

If we get a new manager in who plays good football, entertains the fans, has the players support and shows improvement season on season then missing top 4 won't get them fired. Would Mourinho be sacked right now if United were erratic but entertaining and he was positive and the players and management liked him? No.

It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Mourinho's and he massively underperformed at Utd but there are also massive issues at the top for Utd too and until they're put right you're going to stay in this cycle of rince and repeat. I mentioned yesterday, any new manager is going to inherit a mishmash of a squad with so many players not suitable to playing how a Poch or similar wants to play. If Utd go for that sort of manager then there might be some pain along the way before things can improve but will they back him or will they sack him for not meeting short term targets?

We have got a bit of a mish-mash of players but I think we have a pretty good high energy team in there. I think the idea that a manager can spend £360m along with 2 free signings (Sanchez and Zlatan) that didn't cost him anything and claim that he wasn't backed is ridiculous. The idea that Mourinho didn't want these players is also ridiculous. He probably didn't get everyone he wanted but who does. Poch has spent £29m net apparently over the last 4 years. There has to come a point where the management says "play with the toys you have".

The reason people think we have such a disjointed set of players is because Mourinho has told everyone so many times that its not his fault and that its the players and the squad that people believe it. When you put out half a high energy side and then stick Matic and Fellaini in the middle of that you can't expect much more than you get. His selections, tactics and motivation of the squad were rubbish.

 

[Snax]

Poch has the dilemma of trying to save Man utd Vs working under triple wood

I wouldn't take the job to work under a known tit

 

[omnomnom]

If Blanc is out of the running like some are suggesting who's left? If it's Solskjaer then lol

 

[fez]

If Blanc is out of the running like some are suggesting who's left? If it's Solksjear then lol

It would be classic United to **** up an interim appointment like that so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[mysticsniper]

wow, the Man Utd managers role is turning into a right poison chalice.

It's like they can't get out of the SAF shadow.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Who from Uniteds team would make it into any of the top 4 clubs?

De Gea, Sanchez, Pogba and Matic?

He's spent over £300 million and they have spent around £600 million since fergie left. All on mediocre players.

 

[omnomnom]

De Gea gets in at Spurs and Chelsea. Pogba might make Liverpool's under 23s if they have injuries.

 

[chroniclard]

Pogba to Pool in January, Klopp would sort him out.

 

[fez]

Who from Uniteds team would make it into any of the top 4 clubs?

De Gea, Sanchez, Pogba and Matic?

He's spent over £300 million and they have spent around £600 million since fergie left. All on mediocre players.

So you don't reckon that a lot of this is form and management. I mean Chelsea have been super lucky that their players went from relegation material to league winners in the space of a year and a half. Must have been a hell of a coach to take the sort of players in a relegation position to the top of the league...

I know Liverpool fans are the most deluded but you can't seriously look at the United squad and think its **** and then look at Liverpools and think its that much better. The difference is a top manager and a well coached team full of confident, happy players.

 

[manic111]

Who from Uniteds team would make it into any of the top 4 clubs?

De Gea, Sanchez, Pogba and Matic?

He's spent over £300 million and they have spent around £600 million since fergie left. All on mediocre players.

I think the bigger issue is that a) there's a total mashup of styles there and b) players have declined at United. Mata, Bailly, Herrera, Martial, Sanchez, and Rashford (and arguably Lukaku and Lingard) are all good enough to be in or around the first team of a top 4 Premiership team. The issue is that they all play totally different styles of football, and that being forced into unnatural roles at United has ruined them. Herrera arrived at United looking like a very good box to box midfielder, and they've tried to make him a DM. Martial looked like a lethal inside forward (in the Salah mould) and they've bunged him wide. Bailly's out of favour because he's been injured.

None of these are mediocre players. Is their squad as good as Liverpool's or City's? No, but it's as good as Spurs, Chelsea, and Arsenal. They need a coach who's going to choose a style of football to play, and pick players to that style, then getting rid of others who don't fit in.

 

[FrankJH]

Your manager of over 20 years leaves
The structure around him disbands
You leave an average team with ageing players
Most of your senior players and leaders leave within a few seasons
You hire a mid-table at best manager with limited potential and a complete underestimation of the task he was given.

+ you are paying huge fees to pay off the loan that purchase of the club to the current owners

Big thank you to Liverpool 1st and foremost , don't think ive ever been happy to be beaten (esp by them) but its a truelly joyous day.

Under JM's Utd managerial spell Utd may well have spent an absolute fortune in transfer fees but its highly questionable how many were actually JM's choice (certainly the most "valuable" were nothing to do with JM at all )
Why they extended his contract and then didn't back him in the next window is incredibly strange.

At least Utd now have a better chance (albeit still slim) of top 4 , but above all there should be a lot better spirit in the players straight away.

 

[omnomnom]

So you don't reckon that a lot of this is form and management. I mean Chelsea have been super lucky that their players went from relegation material to league winners in the space of a year and a half. Must have been a hell of a coach to take the sort of players in a relegation position to the top of the league...

I know Liverpool fans are the most deluded but you can't seriously look at the United squad and think its **** and then look at Liverpools and think its that much better. The difference is a top manager and a well coached team full of confident, happy players.

Actually I do think you squad is tripe. It's full of overpaid, work shy, overrated players who just engineered to get a manager sacked. Tell me, who from your 11 gets in ours?

The answer is none so I can comfortably say your squad is utter dross and ours isn't.