Mozilla says beware Google use Bing

[m4cc45]

It's interesting how people percieve google to be 'nice guys'. They're simply not. They're out to make money. Most of the adverts on the net are by google and aimed directly at what you've been looking at (i.e. cars, computers, etc.)

Microsoft aren't good guys, again they're out to make money. But they seem to be more highly scrutinised than Google and to this end they have to be very careful on what they do. The search engine Bing doesn't retain half as much data as Google does. It also doesn't really do much with that data other than optomise searches. Where as google use it for targetted advertising. Also all of your GMail (even those deleted) is saved. The interlopability you use between the programs on Google is saved. Files uploaded and then deleted are saved. You get me? Everything you do on Google is tracked and stored and there is no definitive date for getting rid of this.



M.

 

[jas72]

it's tree hugging liberals that have made the climate an issue which we are only becoming aware of. I say kudos to tree hugging liberals.

Nope it's not it's scientists in high paid jobs. Scientists who worked damned hard for their degrees and worked relentlessly at their theories who have made climate change an issue.

Tree huggers who protest but don't work and offer no solutions apart from reverting us back to pre-iron age are not the ones that government's listen to.

 

[lunarwolf]

Nope it's not it's scientists in high paid jobs. Scientists who worked damned hard for their degrees and worked relentlessly at their theories who have made climate change an issue.

Tree huggers who protest but don't work and offer no solutions apart from reverting us back to pre-iron age are not the ones that government's listen to.

i think tree hugging liberal is a term used by right wingers to generalize anyone who is to their left. at least that it was the context it was used in. by that definition any scientist trying to prove/remedy climate change would be categorized as a tree hugging liberal by those folks.

 

[unwashed potato!]

It's interesting how people percieve google to be 'nice guys'. They're simply not. They're out to make money. Most of the adverts on the net are by google and aimed directly at what you've been looking at (i.e. cars, computers, etc.)

Microsoft aren't good guys, again they're out to make money. But they seem to be more highly scrutinised than Google and to this end they have to be very careful on what they do. The search engine Bing doesn't retain half as much data as Google does. It also doesn't really do much with that data other than optomise searches. Where as google use it for targetted advertising. Also all of your GMail (even those deleted) is saved. The interlopability you use between the programs on Google is saved. Files uploaded and then deleted are saved. You get me? Everything you do on Google is tracked and stored and there is no definitive date for getting rid of this.



M.

some pretty wild claims, any reputable sources to suggest this?

i don't understand the problem you're on about though? google keep my history to make more money, which is done by looking at my history and offering adverts more related to me. what's the problem? i am getting a better service this way, they are getting a better return this way, the advertisers at focusing on more relevent customers this way saving money, again this is win win win win win for every single person.

the issue of privacy though and being watched: surely ms keep all your deleted mail? why would the government only ask for searches to be kept if things like email, where someone looked on maps,what they use internet explorer for, etc gives more useful information? i reckon ms keep all this too, perhaps only for a few less months as they don't want to make as much money as google

there really seems to be no issue here, just simply that people are annoyed that they don't have the right when using a companies service to say "don't record my activites as long as you do", even if recording the activites isn't a problem. men always got to control something

 

[suarve]

Depends on what you type

* HUGGGGGGGGGGGGGE sigh*

 

[Burnsy2023]

some pretty wild claims, any reputable sources to suggest this?

Does it need a source? I thought this was common knowledge?

i don't understand the problem you're on about though? google keep my history to make more money, which is done by looking at my history and offering adverts more related to me. what's the problem? i am getting a better service this way, they are getting a better return this way, the advertisers at focusing on more relevent customers this way saving money, again this is win win win win win for every single person.

Unless you hate ads and use adblock in which case it's pointless for you.

the issue of privacy though and being watched: surely ms keep all your deleted mail?

Nope, I'm pretty sure they don't (and if they do, it's for a limited time unlike Google). The don't save half the information Google does.

 

[unwashed potato!]

Does it need a source? I thought this was common knowledge?

common knowledge? to who? my mum wouldn't know this, and i don't know this for a fact, so it's common knowledge simply to you, but imo that is common knowledge

Nope, I'm pretty sure they don't (and if they do, it's for a limited time unlike Google). The don't save half the information Google does.

but then if they don't, then doesn't that would show google are only keeping it that length of time for the improvement of adverts, and not to give away to the government given that they can keep it for far less, making this whole thing about switching to bing pointless? bing will still keep the emails for some length of time, which means they are doing just what google is doing in improving their service from you, but google does it better.

 

[Ste_1]

If you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out.

If you put a frog in luke warm water and heat it until boiling point, it dies.



What im trying to say is, if you let them take more of your privacy year by year, bit by bit. Eventually by the time we all realise we don't have enough privacy it will be too late.

They always say if your doing nothing wrong theres no need to worry. However if im doing nothing wrong why are my tracks being traced? We, the people, shouldn't need to answer to these big companies, they should be answering to us. Its that simple.

 

[unwashed potato!]

If you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out.

If you put a frog in luke warm water and heat it until boiling point, it dies.



What im trying to say is, if you let them take more of your privacy year by year, bit by bit. Eventually by the time we all realise we don't have enough privacy it will be too late.

They always say if your doing nothing wrong theres no need to worry. However if im doing nothing wrong why are my tracks being traced? We, the people, shouldn't need to answer to these big companies, they should be answering to us. Its that simple.

why should they answer to us? again it seems the manly control thing is getting in the way of sense, "how dare someone bigger then me make me feel small!".

can't you see the obvious answer to why your tracks are being traced? are you really that naive?

too late for what? is the reason to stop them watching us now not becuase it's an issue, but instead because one day in the future they may increase privacy some where else? like your home?

thing is people aren't that stupid, if privacy was to increase to the point we can't do normal things then peopel would do somethnig about it, but it's not the case. everything is normal, nothing is actually lost (except maybe peoples pride or something like that), only gained.

 

[Guest2]

If you put a frog in boiling water, it jumps out.

If you put a frog in luke warm water and heat it until boiling point, it dies.

Really?

 

[platypus]

I've already made the switch .

I turned off auto-cookies for a day, and wow - the sheer amount of Google cookie requests where staggering. Everything Google is now blocked from my computers.

 

[platypus]

i don't understand the problem you're on about though? google keep my history to make more money, which is done by looking at my history and offering adverts more related to me. what's the problem? i am getting a better service this way, they are getting a better return this way, the advertisers at focusing on more relevent customers this way saving money, again this is win win win win win for every single person.

the issue of privacy though and being watched: surely ms keep all your deleted mail? why would the government only ask for searches to be kept if things like email, where someone looked on maps,what they use internet explorer for, etc gives more useful information? i reckon ms keep all this too, perhaps only for a few less months as they don't want to make as much money as google

there really seems to be no issue here, just simply that people are annoyed that they don't have the right when using a companies service to say "don't record my activites as long as you do", even if recording the activites isn't a problem. men always got to control something

It's about more then just the issue of privacy whilst using Google though isn't it.

I wish people would open their goddamn eyes and stop burying their heads in the sand when it comes to issues on privacy and liberty like this, but its ok because "I have nothing to hide".

 

[mrk]

I have Google account history disabled in my privacy options in my google account, why should I switch to Bing and lose my iGoogle/integration?

Not that I am/will

So great, they might keep a few details on my search history, why should that bother me? it's not like that information is being sold on or my details given away as far as I can see.

 

[unwashed potato!]

I've already made the switch .

I turned off auto-cookies for a day, and wow - the sheer amount of Google cookie requests where staggering. Everything Google is now blocked from my computers.

whats wrong with that out of interest?

Really?

yep it's true. it doesn't realise the heat increase and will eventually die.

It's about more then just the issue of privacy whilst using Google though isn't it.

I wish people would open their goddamn eyes and stop burying their heads in the sand when it comes to issues on privacy and liberty like this, but its ok because "I have nothing to hide".

see imo people who are against what they are doing are burying their heads in the sand, they make up their mind too quickly without opening their eyes and seeing how it really is and then bury their heads in the sand and don't want to hear anything else. i'd say i have a fairly open mind to this, even if i don't sound like i do. i beleive that the government can be wrong but more often then not they aren't (it just goes unnoticeD) and they know far better what's going on then i do whilst sat at a computer listening to other ocuk users views. Google see whats being searched better then bing, perhaps for that reason alone google have noticed the need to increase the time they hold this information.

imagine if google had information about people looking for plane times, then tips how to hijack a plane in usa, then if the pilots have emergency weapons, then to how to run planes into a buildings, then where the twin towers are located. if i'd seen that that information was available after the twin towers had happened i'd clearly see the importance of keeping as much as possible to bring the people repsonible to justice, even if a few prude people are worried that a machine is keeping their information longer then another company.

I have Google account history disabled in my privacy options in my google account, why should I switch to Bing and lose my iGoogle/integration?
Not that I am/will
So great, they might keep a few details on my search history, why should that bother me? it's not like that information is being sold on or my details given away as far as I can see.

exactly. you lose a better service, to go to another company which does the same thing as the one you're leaving, but for slightly less time. it's silly. the only thing you get from this is the reminder that you're infact in control

 

[lunarwolf]

it's not like that information is being sold on or my details given away as far as I can see.

actually that is exactly their business model lol, but that is understandable since they aren't a charity. but the point of the article is about privacy and Eric Schmidt's lack of regard of his users privacy as he so eloquently put it.

 

[Faustus]

you actually said that at :54, i quoted at :53

your post was above mine as well so didn't need to be quoted word for word, as everyone could easily see it in context. you trust ms over google simple because of how they make money? have you done any research on the companies and how they make money, what they beleive in etc?

my point still stands, just because of how they make revenue doesn't mean something that is free doesn't come at a price. you said it yourself, EVERYTHING that is free comes at a price. you've gone from google who appear to be focused on giving stuff away for free, to ms who are infamous for being the opposite.

both comapnies by law will have to keep the data for x amount of time, e.g. 1.5 years. if thats all the bing keep it for then thats ok, but if google keep it for another .5 of a year whats the problem? they don't have to hand it over, just the latest 1.5 years. if they have had it for 1.5 years, as well as bing, whats the harm in another 6 months or whatever. seems silly to me.

if google wasn't around i bet stuff like live maps wouldn't be free, or it would be heavily limited with paid for versions offering the useful stuff. ms are changing imo because they have to, not because they want to, google have always been the nicer guys. i use so many services from them and i'm sure it'll only increase. so what if they make money from me, i make money from them as i can get better results, work faster, find where i need to go better, then companies that sell something i want can find me directly, rather then having to waste money advertising to people who don't, increasing the products price, and possibly one day they'll be able to see that i bought a printer 2 years ago, so advertise the latest one to me that i'd want. it's a win win win win win situation.

I've probably forgotten more about MS than you'll ever know in answer to your question - I have been doing a study of their business and business model for years. I'm quite sure you are able to justify to yourself why you use google products. However, justifying it oneself and doing so to others is not quite the same is it? Google are not giving their products away simply to be altruistic, they are doing so in order to destroy their arch rival - MS. When they have achieved market dominance they will then show their true colours.

 

[Faustus]

whats wrong with that out of interest?



yep it's true. it doesn't realise the heat increase and will eventually die.



see imo people who are against what they are doing are burying their heads in the sand, they make up their mind too quickly without opening their eyes and seeing how it really is and then bury their heads in the sand and don't want to hear anything else. i'd say i have a fairly open mind to this, even if i don't sound like i do. i beleive that the government can be wrong but more often then not they aren't (it just goes unnoticeD) and they know far better what's going on then i do whilst sat at a computer listening to other ocuk users views. Google see whats being searched better then bing, perhaps for that reason alone google have noticed the need to increase the time they hold this information.

imagine if google had information about people looking for plane times, then tips how to hijack a plane in usa, then if the pilots have emergency weapons, then to how to run planes into a buildings, then where the twin towers are located. if i'd seen that that information was available after the twin towers had happened i'd clearly see the importance of keeping as much as possible to bring the people repsonible to justice, even if a few prude people are worried that a machine is keeping their information longer then another company.



exactly. you lose a better service, to go to another company which does the same thing as the one you're leaving, but for slightly less time. it's silly. the only thing you get from this is the reminder that you're infact in control

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry reading the above post, truly. The level of naivety of the great British public never ceases to amaze me. There's an old saying which is also very wise and very true - those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

 

[metalmackey]

This is pointless. The yanks blew up their own towers and are responsable for most terrorism. I'm pretty sure a major terrorist (if there was one) wouldnt search google. Unless he's an idiot like most of us sheep governments feed us crap to believe. And if I was a pedo, I'de look on p2p or sommit, not google.

 

[95thrifles]

yeah cos Im sure p2p isnt monitored at all, muppet

 

[metalmackey]

LOL, I didnts say it wasnt did I? Everythings monitored. And im more of a cripple than a muppet, seeing I have cerebral palsy and am nearly blind LOL