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That doesn't tie in too well with the whole omnipotent argument.
MPs try to overturn 'God can heal' ad ban
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That doesn't tie in too well with the whole omnipotent argument.
I don't agree! Seems to me if we are to take the bible at face value then god kind of interfered quite a bit when it suited his purpose. But I suppose it's all part of some mysterious plan ... or made up.
Let's get something straight here. God has the power to remove people, which he has done before and will do again. This is in line with his principles of justice.
However I have not read any account of God forcing someone to do something against his will - what we could call mind control. A recurring theme of the Bible is that we are free to make our own choices.
Power to remove people - yes.
Power to control people - not used.
However I have not read any account of God forcing someone to do something against his will - what we could call mind control. A recurring theme of the Bible is that we are free to make our own choices.
Power to remove people - yes.
Power to control people - not used.
Power to do absolutely anything possible including freewill with good choices - not used
nuking cities - used
plagues - used
genocide - used
etc
It's not likely that anyone would understand why those things happened without an in-depth study of the Bible. So yes it can seem harsh, it can seem unfair, unjust.
But if you believe what the Bible says, then not only is God all-powerful, he is also the ultimate authority in justice and morality. He defines what is right and wrong. (But doesn't force us to comply)
And lastly, he has the power to return to life anyone who did not deserve to die. I would assume that children, etc, killed in the plagues would get that opportunity.
TL
R In essence, if you believe in the God of the Bible you believe in a package of ideas that fit together. You believe in a bigger picture than most people's idea of God. You accept that some things look odd when taken out of this picture and examined in a vacuum.
Soldato
Is the ad on youtube or somewhere?
Caporegime
"We must have free speech! For Everyone! Except those people over there."
It's not likely that anyone would understand why those things happened without an in-depth study of the Bible. So yes it can seem harsh, it can seem unfair, unjust.
But if you believe what the Bible says, then not only is God all-powerful, he is also the ultimate authority in justice and morality. He defines what is right and wrong. (But doesn't force us to comply)
And lastly, he has the power to return to life anyone who did not deserve to die. I would assume that children, etc, killed in the plagues would get that opportunity.
TL
So it is just to allow people to die painful deaths in plagues then go oh dear I've made an omniscient boo boo here you go all back to normal! Right ... and I thought jakesnake was bonkers.
Soldato
More by way of statistics here: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prayer.html
I am too tired to read and evaluate it at the moment
I am too tired to read and evaluate it at the moment
I wonder if any of the big media adverts will post the full letter to show just how stupid they are.
It really is terrible that they hold a seat, they are complete hypocrites by using poor evidence for their claims and then complaining about the ASA for not following scientific protocol!
It really is terrible that they hold a seat, they are complete hypocrites by using poor evidence for their claims and then complaining about the ASA for not following scientific protocol!
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It's not likely that anyone would understand why those things happened without an in-depth study of the Bible. So yes it can seem harsh, it can seem unfair, unjust.
But if you believe what the Bible says, then not only is God all-powerful, he is also the ultimate authority in justice and morality. He defines what is right and wrong. (But doesn't force us to comply)
And lastly, he has the power to return to life anyone who did not deserve to die. I would assume that children, etc, killed in the plagues would get that opportunity.
TL
How convenient.
Soldato
Does not compute. If you can't think for yourself, you are not a free thinker, by definition. Or was it a cheap slander at those that reject the nonsense supernatural claims made by religion?"Freethinkers" can't think for themselves.
Oh wait, I'm on your ignore list, aren't I?
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Proponents of faith healing should be forced to watch the Derren Brown show on the subject repeatedly until they're rendered blind from staring at the TV for too long. We'll then bring out some faith healers and see just how many proponents have their sight restored.
It's probably also worth pointing out that religious people =/= people who believe in faith healing.
I believe in God and yet I also fully agree with people who think faith healing is either a scam or just very mis-guided. From what (little) I know, I got the impression that people performing miracles ended with Jesus' apostles. Admittedly I don't know enough about it.
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I have seen faith healers in my local town every week for a few years now. I don’t know what this particular group is doing, but I was under the impression that they offered spiritual healing rather healing medical conditions and are thus, harmless.
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Have you ever killed a fly or a wasp?
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*sigh*
God does not exist. It's BS. You may as well believe in Leprechauns or Tir na Nog
