Caporegime
So you are perfect to push the hawk over 1GHz no problemsYou can make the pudding!!
I'm confused lol.
It wasn't a hard feat to take 5850/5870's to 1GHZ core.
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MSI: *Offical* N460GTX Hawk 1GB OC Edition thread
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I'm confused lol.
It wasn't a hard feat to take 5850/5870's to 1GHZ core.
Soldato
Hi
Having bought one of these cards (delivery this morning hopefully).
A couple of questions for MSI-guru
Considering long term stability and the operating life of this card in general...
What would you personally consider a safe voltage to put through these cards and what sort of MHz should I be aiming for, for long term reliability???
I'm not that interested in just being able to boast that I've got the fastest HAWK, I just want a reasonable OC that is not going to knacker the card after a couple of weeks / months use.
My other question is... with MSI actually appearing to encourage people to OC these days (with the inclusion of Afterburner). What's the warranty position if you damage your card using a utility you have provided the end user?
Obviously running a graphics card with a high OC looks great to start with, but will it last the test of time (IE. 2 years down the road). Little point in doing this if your card is FUBAR after a couple of months.
While I know there are many variables here (heat being one of them), are the components in this card REALLY up to the stress long term??? I rather hope so, considering the price difference between this and a stock card.
And finally. Why do pretty much all manufacturers of this card (MSI included) run the memory chips underrated
IE. these Samsung memory chips appear to be rated at 1,000MHz, why do most people clock them at 900MHz?
I've wondered about this for a while now.
Thanks in advance.
Having bought one of these cards (delivery this morning hopefully).
A couple of questions for MSI-guru
Considering long term stability and the operating life of this card in general...
What would you personally consider a safe voltage to put through these cards and what sort of MHz should I be aiming for, for long term reliability???
I'm not that interested in just being able to boast that I've got the fastest HAWK, I just want a reasonable OC that is not going to knacker the card after a couple of weeks / months use.
My other question is... with MSI actually appearing to encourage people to OC these days (with the inclusion of Afterburner). What's the warranty position if you damage your card using a utility you have provided the end user?
Obviously running a graphics card with a high OC looks great to start with, but will it last the test of time (IE. 2 years down the road). Little point in doing this if your card is FUBAR after a couple of months.
While I know there are many variables here (heat being one of them), are the components in this card REALLY up to the stress long term??? I rather hope so, considering the price difference between this and a stock card.
And finally. Why do pretty much all manufacturers of this card (MSI included) run the memory chips underrated
IE. these Samsung memory chips appear to be rated at 1,000MHz, why do most people clock them at 900MHz?
I've wondered about this for a while now.
Thanks in advance.
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Soldato
I'm buying a 480gtx - the value one on the 17th when i get paid and i wondered if maybe 2 of these would significantly outperform the 480 or not.
Soldato
Just made for you bemaniac: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694.html
On the hawk in particular, the circuits, components, pcb and cooling have all been upgraded to over engineer that card for the kind of stress you will be putting it under overclocking. This is a feature of both Lightning and Hawk series cards which is why we promote these specifically at overclocking. Providing the voltages reached are not silly, and adequate cooling is in place there should be no long term damage from a stable overclock.
A couple of weeks or months use would be an extreme situation! However my can certainly apply a modest overclock to 800-850MHz should be possible without too much Voltage hike and provide you with some extra bang for buck. On the hawk specifically, this kind of overclock should see no detriment to the life of the card.
We only encourage users comfortable with overclocking to overclock. For those not comfortable, we often provide small OC's out of the box to give extra value for the novice user. Afterburner software and similar initiatives are to support those enthusiasts who are keen o OC and are comfotable with the risks.
If your card is damaged from overclocking strictly speaking its not covered under warranty. Although if there is no damage to the board, no obvious signs of volt modding (hardware), burns, or inadequate cooling... you are likely to have no issues with a warranty replacement. If however you for instance increase the voltage so much, with the fans on low that the PCB warped or burned for example, it would be obvious and not covered.
In short, any sensible OCer will not have a problem.
Overclocking no doubt will reduce the lifespan by some degree or another just as underclocking will likely increase it. However, this may be from 10 years down to 8 years. The UK warranty on MSI products is 2 years, and for most graphics card enthusiasts they will be looking to upgrade after 2 years (or before), not to mention the card will not be worth as much after that time has passed. I must stress however we would expect the card to last a lot longer than 2 years no matter what the OC
Hope it helps
Ok, the reason you cant get the card above 1.087v is due to a hardware limitation with the nvidia card design. The presumably is to prevent damage to the card.
However, on the Hawk series due to the up spec on the components, MSI employ a hardware modification to allow 3 voltage points to be changed independently allowing the higher clocks to be reached.
In regards to the palit, they too suffer the drop down to 1.087v (from the NV driver). If you have seen it go above this, it will be due to a hardware mod on the board. If you have any examples you can check that this is the case.
Hope it helps, but sorry its not better news
Soldato
MSI-guru
Thanks for your reply. Nice to see a company taking a sensible attitude and one that obviously has belief in their product.
Mines just arrived. Initial impressions are of a very well built card. I'll install it later today and have a play around with it and post my experiences etc. in a separate thread.
Thanks for your reply. Nice to see a company taking a sensible attitude and one that obviously has belief in their product.
Mines just arrived. Initial impressions are of a very well built card. I'll install it later today and have a play around with it and post my experiences etc. in a separate thread.
Np. Let me know how you get on. Also if you want to post some unboxing pics in this thread, I will whiz you a free MSI t-shirt
What can it do when limited to less than 1.1v? As both the 58xx and GF104's use the same process and a similar ammount of transistors, they should (within reason) overclock to similar levels give equal ammounts of voltage and cooling.Not to blow my own trumpet MSI Guru, but my launch day 5870 ran a 1.1GHZ Core on air, stable
My current Asus V2 is 1GHZ MSI Kombustor stable.
Caporegime
My old Asus 5850 at 1.087v was 950 stable.
I need 1.149V for 900MHz
Oops, thread trolling. Looking forward to some overclocking results in this thread.
Ok, the reason you cant get the card above 1.087v is due to a hardware limitation with the nvidia card design. The presumably is to prevent damage to the card.
However, on the Hawk series due to the up spec on the components, MSI employ a hardware modification to allow 3 voltage points to be changed independently allowing the higher clocks to be reached.
In regards to the palit, they too suffer the drop down to 1.087v (from the NV driver). If you have seen it go above this, it will be due to a hardware mod on the board. If you have any examples you can check that this is the case.
Hope it helps, but sorry its not better news
Palit released a new official bios for their GTX 460 that allows them to work at 1.213v.
There are similar modded bioses already available, but I am still hoping for an official bios from MSI that will allow the higher voltage limit to work.
Do you have the source for this info? If its a BIOS fix I am sure others will follow.
Caporegime
Bhavy, go onto the Guru3D forums, ask around, they'll likely be able to get you a BIOS .
Soldato
Np. Let me know how you get on. Also if you want to post some unboxing pics in this thread, I will whiz you a free MSI t-shirt
Will do.
Here's a few pics.
Will install it later this afternoon.
I like the nice touch of plastic covers over all the connectors.
The only question that you did not answer earlier. Is why most manufacturers of these cards (IE. 460's) are under clocking the Samsung memory. Which if you GOOGLE the chip ID's, appears to be rated at 1,000MHz, as opposed to the 900 MHz that is being used.
Thanks again.
Nice one, please PM me with your address and t-shirt size I will get one off to you
In regards the memory, I will check but it would not surprise me if it indeed uses the faster memory to give better OC headroom, that's what this card is all about
I will check and keep you posted, it would be a nice no brainer OC to begin with.
Modded bioses are already available here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=256653
People who have bought the Palit card from OCUK and updated to the newest official bios to get rid of the whining noise also got 1.213v working using the official bios.
I dont like using non official bioses. I can wait to see if MSI will release one first, Im not in any hurry.
Caporegime
MSI do release BIOS's there.
Soldato
Nice one, please PM me with your address and t-shirt size I will get one off to you
In regards the memory, I will check but it would not surprise me if it indeed uses the faster memory to give better OC headroom, that's what this card is all about
Hi. I don't think the PM system is enabled on this forum. Think you would need to get your TRUST enabled by OCuk, this is as far as I know, the only way to send a message on the forum.
Though I think you might be able to click the trust button on one of my posts and send me an Email address that I can contact you on.