MSI's X570 Tomahawk May Become Go-To OC Board??

4K8KW10 · 4 Feb 2021 at 06:55

Oh, finally - new non-beta BIOS

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Version 7C84v15 Release Date 2021-01-26

- Update to ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.0
- Support S.A.M technology (Re-size BAR function) to enhance GPU performance for AMD Radeon RX 6000 series
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MAG-X570-TOMAHAWK-WIFI

Forceflow · 4 Feb 2021 at 09:03

Initial tests on my 3900x (I just couldn't help it, too curious): seems fine.
Only changes from default settings: enable XMP profile (3600 mhz) and custom fan curves for my DH-N15.

Temperature profile during stress tests seems different - it's less spike-y. My overall idle temperature is lower too, and less of a sawtooth-like

JRS · 4 Feb 2021 at 12:09

Updated to the v150 release BIOS. Hmmm...

Negatives - CPU no longer boosts as high. Simply won't go beyond 4850MHz no matter what I have PBO/curve optimiser set at. Perfectly stable, just not as quick.

Plus side - RAM now reliably runs at 3800MHz CL15/IF @ 1900MHz/MEMCLK=UCLK. Just survived two CB R20 runs, a CB R23 run and a lap of the GTA V map. Also appears that upping the RAM to 3800/CL15 has made up for losing ~100MHz of CPU boost in benchmark scores. Can't help but wonder how good it would be if it would still boost to ~5GHz.

CPU tops out at 70°C in CB, around 50°C in games, quickly drops to about 30°C once back idling.

Joxeon · 4 Feb 2021 at 12:31

JRS said:
Updated to the v150 release BIOS. Hmmm...

Negatives - CPU no longer boosts as high. Simply won't go beyond 4850MHz no matter what I have PBO/curve optimiser set at. Perfectly stable, just not as quick.

Plus side - RAM now reliably runs at 3800MHz CL15/IF @ 1900MHz/MEMCLK=UCLK. Just survived two CB R20 runs, a CB R23 run and a lap of the GTA V map. Also appears that upping the RAM to 3800/CL15 has made up for losing ~100MHz of CPU boost in benchmark scores. Can't help but wonder how good it would be if it would still boost to ~5GHz.

CPU tops out at 70°C in CB, around 50°C in games, quickly drops to about 30°C once back idling.

I think +200 has always been the max boost clock override allowed by AMD, being able to take it further was probably a bug that is now fixed, besides if AMD release a 5600 non with a 200mhz lower boost then Who will buy the X version if you can just add on 500 or so in the bios and have it boost to 5ghz.

Even at 4.85 your still getting 250mhz more than is on the box, compared to last gen where I had a 3600 than only hit 4.2ghz on just 2 of the 6 cores that's still an exellent result.

JRS · 4 Feb 2021 at 13:01

Joxeon said:
I think +200 has always been the max boost clock override allowed by AMD, being able to take it further was probably a bug that is now fixed

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what happened. It's a shame because it seemed perfectly alright at those higher boost overrides!

Joxeon said:
Even at 4.85 your still getting 250mhz more than is on the box, compared to last gen where I had a 3600 than only hit 4.2ghz on just 2 of the 6 cores that's still an exellent result.

My previous Ryzen chips (a 2600 and then a 3600X) never boosted the way this 5600X does. Might have to try an all-core overclock and see what it does with that.

Stu · 4 Feb 2021 at 14:22

Joxeon said:
I think +200 has always been the max boost clock override allowed by AMD, being able to take it further was probably a bug that is now fixed, besides if AMD release a 5600 non with a 200mhz lower boost then Who will buy the X version if you can just add on 500 or so in the bios and have it boost to 5ghz.

Even at 4.85 your still getting 250mhz more than is on the box, compared to last gen where I had a 3600 than only hit 4.2ghz on just 2 of the 6 cores that's still an exellent result.

Considering all the posts that a 5800x is better than a 5900x because it clocks higher, does this change favour the 5900x? (Since I'm still waiting for my CPU, I haven't yet developed the experience/insight to answer this myself.)

SpudMaster · 4 Feb 2021 at 16:57

JRS said:
Updated to the v150 release BIOS. Hmmm...

Plus side - RAM now reliably runs at 3800MHz CL15/IF @ 1900MHz/MEMCLK=UCLK. Just survived two CB R20 runs, a CB R23 run and a lap of the GTA V map. Also appears that upping the RAM to 3800/CL15 has made up for losing ~100MHz of CPU boost in benchmark scores. Can't help but wonder how good it would be if it would still boost to ~5GHz.

What voltage is your ram at? Not upgrade to latest bios yet but my ram is at 14.14.14.28 3600mhz currently at 1.45v. Hoping to hit 3800mhz

JRS · 4 Feb 2021 at 16:59

SpudMaster said:
What voltage is your ram at? Not upgrade to latest bios yet but my ram is at 14.14.14.28 3600mhz currently at 1.45v. Hoping to hit 3800mhz

1.42V set, motherboard reports 1.436V.

***edit***

I might try shooting for 3800 @ CL14 tomorrow with mo' powah

Meanwhile, I've been tweaking and testing with CB R23 - a full run of that sees the processor boost to between 4.7 and 4.75 on all cores, occasional spike to 4.85.

SpudMaster · 4 Feb 2021 at 23:46

JRS said:
1.42V set, motherboard reports 1.436V.

***edit***

I might try shooting for 3800 @ CL14 tomorrow with mo' powah Meanwhile, I've been tweaking and testing with CB R23 - a full run of that sees the processor boost to between 4.7 and 4.75 on all cores, occasional spike to 4.85.

Go for it

just checked my bios, dram voltage is actually set at 1.43v for the above settings. Must have lowered it and forgot

SpudMaster · 5 Feb 2021 at 00:49

Which bios where people using before updating to this new bios on MSI website? I've just gone to update and apparently my current bios E7C84AMS V1.53 where as the new is E7C84AMS V1.50. Build date is more recent but seems weird that its an earlier version :confused:

JRS · 5 Feb 2021 at 00:51

SpudMaster said:
Which bios where people using before updating to this new bios on MSI website? I've just gone to update and apparently my current bios E7C84AMS V1.53 where as the new is E7C84AMS V1.50. Build date is more recent but seems weird that its an earlier version

Same here. It's just MSI's naming/numbering convention - first two numbers are major version, third number is 0 if release version or goes up in sequence with beta versions.

Smiffy-UK · 5 Feb 2021 at 01:01

4K8KW10 said:
Oh, finally - new non-beta BIOS :

Version 7C84v15 Release Date 2021-01-26

- Update to ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.0
- Support S.A.M technology (Re-size BAR function) to enhance GPU performance for AMD Radeon RX 6000 series
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MAG-X570-TOMAHAWK-WIFI

Thanks for that!

JRS said:
Same here. It's just MSI's naming/numbering convention - first two numbers are major version, third number is 0 if release version or goes up in sequence with beta versions.

Oh I didn't know that, thanks for that insight. I did wonder why that was like that lol

Robzere31 · 5 Feb 2021 at 01:13

JRS said:
Updated to the v150 release BIOS. Hmmm...

Negatives - CPU no longer boosts as high. Simply won't go beyond 4850MHz no matter what I have PBO/curve optimiser set at. Perfectly stable, just not as quick.
.

Same here with my 5950x

On 1.40 bios all my cores would hit 5.05ghz single, now on bios 1.50 all seem to be between 4.8 & 5.1ghz
All core performance is about the same.

hyperseven · 5 Feb 2021 at 04:06

Robzere31 said:
Same here with my 5950x

On 1.40 bios all my cores would hit 5.05ghz single, now on bios 1.50 all seem to be between 4.8 & 5.1ghz
All core performance is about the same.

JRS said:
Updated to the v150 release BIOS. Hmmm...

Negatives - CPU no longer boosts as high. Simply won't go beyond 4850MHz no matter what I have PBO/curve optimiser set at. Perfectly stable, just not as quick.

Plus side - RAM now reliably runs at 3800MHz CL15/IF @ 1900MHz/MEMCLK=UCLK. Just survived two CB R20 runs, a CB R23 run and a lap of the GTA V map. Also appears that upping the RAM to 3800/CL15 has made up for losing ~100MHz of CPU boost in benchmark scores. Can't help but wonder how good it would be if it would still boost to ~5GHz.

CPU tops out at 70°C in CB, around 50°C in games, quickly drops to about 30°C once back idling.

Have you CB23 scores increased or decreased after the BIOS update?

JRS · 5 Feb 2021 at 10:27

hyperseven said:
Have you CB23 scores increased or decreased after the BIOS update?

CB23 has increased slightly, but with RAM&IF clocks now set higher (3800/1900 vs 3733/1867) and core clocks down slightly it's possibly a bit apples to oranges. Going to do some more investigating and tweaking today.

***edit***

Best CB23 multi score so far is 11925. CPU boosting to 4.75-4.775 on all cores, RAM @ 3800 CL15, IF 1900, MEMCLK=UCLK.

PBO on, X4 scalar. Platform limits set to Motherboard. Curve optimiser set to negative 20 on all cores.

funky_llama · 5 Feb 2021 at 10:47

I updated from the 153 beta bios to the release bios yesterday and everything seems fine. Cinebench R20 and Timestrike scores are unchanged for me. It probably depends which bios you are coming from as the biggest difference in the boost clocks seemed to be between v14 and beta 153 which came with the initial stability improvements.

With that said I'm using a -20 all core negative curve optimizer and my cores are hitting 4.8 with two best cores hitting 5Ghz. All core is around 4375Mhz which I'm happy with for the moment.

hyperseven · 5 Feb 2021 at 11:29

JRS said:
CB23 has increased slightly, but with RAM&IF clocks now set higher (3800/1900 vs 3733/1867) and core clocks down slightly it's possibly a bit apples to oranges. Going to do some more investigating and tweaking today.

***edit***

Best CB23 multi score so far is 11925. CPU boosting to 4.75-4.775 on all cores, RAM @ 3800 CL15, IF 1900, MEMCLK=UCLK.

PBO on, X4 scalar. Platform limits set to Motherboard. Curve optimiser set to negative 20 on all cores.

Cheers. Still on the beta so in two minds to update or not or wait to see if any new BIOSes come up in the time NVidia release their re-BAR drivers and board firmware

JRS · 5 Feb 2021 at 13:34

hyperseven said:
Cheers. Still on the beta so in two minds to update or not or wait to see if any new BIOSes come up in the time NVidia release their re-BAR drivers and board firmware

12110 now after a RAM timings tweak (gone from 15-16-16-32-48 to 15-15-15-30-45). Gonna try for CL14 later after I've stability tested this to (hopefully not) destruction.

Yaayuh! · 6 Feb 2021 at 08:20

Hi guys and girls.
I’ve moved to the board with my 3900X for now. I’ve stumbled on a bug which seems to be relatively common.

When I change the vcore at all, it just locks to 1.1V.
I’m currently on BIOS 14. Anybody know whether the latest v15 fixes this or whether I should downgrade to 13?

SpudMaster · 6 Feb 2021 at 23:30

Yaayuh! said:
Hi guys and girls.
I’ve moved to the board with my 3900X for now. I’ve stumbled on a bug which seems to be relatively common.

When I change the vcore at all, it just locks to 1.1V.
I’m currently on BIOS 14. Anybody know whether the latest v15 fixes this or whether I should downgrade to 13?

Not had that bug so can't say whether it fixes it or not but no harm in trying. v15 is stable for me.