Murder of 87 year old in the street

Glasgow had a huge knife crime problem. It wasn’t solved through more police stop and search actions (although there was some of that). Instead it was through engagement and providing things for the knife carriers to do, education, access to other options and opportunity. But mostly, engagement.

Unfortunately the right wingers and racists refuse to accept that knife crime can be reduced by such namby pamby measures despite it working in Glasgow and other cities. We can keep going down the criminal route, and we need to, but we need to engage with those carrying knives before they attack someone and provide other opportunities for them.

Also, with the barristers now on strike it seems our justice system is going to be even worse and less likely to deliver the outcomes people want.

To preempt the fritters, I’m not saying we go light on those that stab - I’d advocate for stricter punishments. But London needs to learn from other cities that have reduced knife crime. It’s not done through marginalising a maligned group. It’s through engagement with them and providing opportunities.

This is generally London we're talking about. One of the most vibrant and metropolitan cities in the world with absolutely masses to do. These are people who have access to some of the best education institutions in the country. Their lives are what they're making of them. Its their choices to commit these offences. I've never ever been without something to do in London, there is literally always something and it's often free.
 
You are either one of the stupidest people in existence, or a troll. If it's that latter then I commend you on a job well done, if it's the former... yikes!

Either way, we're done here.

Bye! See you later! Love you!

BTW there are lessons available on how to look information up online. Normally though when people know the topic and the source they don't struggle.
 
So you're honestly claiming that the Tories reducing the number of front line police by 20,000 had no effect on crime?

The Home Office disagrees with you, but do please carry on defending the indefensible. It is most amusing...



What's the point of 10000s more police if they don't put scum in jail for a long time?
The grooming gangs was known to the police for years.
Yet nothing was done about it.
 
Dude just wouldn't use Google dammit! People these days, just want everything on a plate.

Bold words from someone who doesn't know how to use the copy/paste function to post a link.

What's the point of 10000s more police if they don't put scum in jail for a long time?
The grooming gangs was known to the police for years.
Yet nothing was done about it.

You do realise that the police are not responsible for the trying or sentencing of criminals? Surely you know that right?

The police are not responsible for putting people in prison.

Try again
 
Bold words from someone who doesn't know how to use the copy/paste function to post a link.



You do realise that the police are not responsible for the trying or sentencing of criminals? Surely you know that right?

The police are not responsible for putting people in prison.

Try again

You seem to fail to grasp the difference between not knowing how and not doing something. Amazing though that other posters were perfectly able to absorb the information.
 
You seem to fail to grasp the difference between not knowing how and not doing something. Amazing though that other posters were perfectly able to absorb the information.

As a relative newcomer to this forum, I expected and hoped for a higher standard of debate than this. The standard practice in a forum debate is to actually post the data you refer to. It saves any potential confusion with people either misquoting or, more likely, misunderstanding the data. It ensures everyone is using the same data set. I know now that to have at least base level expectations from you was silly of me and very wrong. It seems that debate in this forum seems to consist of people posting ill-informed nonsense without having to qualify anything.

I now know. Lesson learned.
 
As a relative newcomer to this forum, I expected and hoped for a higher standard of debate than this. The standard practice in a forum debate is to actually post the data you refer to. It saves any potential confusion with people either misquoting or, more likely, misunderstanding the data. It ensures everyone is using the same data set. I know now that to have at least base level expectations from you was silly of me and very wrong. It seems that debate in this forum seems to consist of people posting ill-informed nonsense without having to qualify anything.

I now know. Lesson learned.

No no, you see you haven't learned. You've said ill-informed. Because you haven't bothered to look up the source you can't make that judgement. Keep trying though and you'll get there.
 
What's the point of 10000s more police if they don't put scum in jail for a long time?
The grooming gangs was known to the police for years.
Yet nothing was done about it.

I know just where you are coming from deuse, but I see that those that clutch at straws want to suggest you meant the POLICE don't put the perpetrators in prison, where the more rounded would realise you meant once the police had presented the cases to the CPS for consideration for trial, and then the CPS agreed to a trial being desirable, and the courts slowly doing their duty, the courts were then found judgementally lacking in severity of sentencing, given the seriousness of the crimes that the defendants were duly found guilty of.

There are those here who (for whatever reason) feel obliged to avoid unilateral condemnation of these perverts.
 
I know just where you are coming from deuse, but I see that those that clutch at straws want to suggest you meant the POLICE don't put the perpetrators in prison, where the more rounded would realise you meant once the police had presented the cases to the CPS for consideration for trial, and then the CPS agreed to a trial being desirable, and the courts slowly doing their duty, the courts were then found judgementally lacking in severity of sentencing, given the seriousness of the crimes that the defendants were duly found guilty of.

There are those here who (for whatever reason) who feel obliged to avoid unilateral condemnation of these perverts.

So pointing out the factual inaccuracies regarding the role of the Police Service somehow means I'm condoning the actions of Grooming Gangs?

You sound smart...
 
So pointing out the factual inaccuracies regarding the role of the Police Service somehow means I'm condoning the actions of Grooming Gangs?

You sound smart...

That's a link you've just made up in your head. And you're ironically calling him smart?!
 
37 posts and I'm putting people on ignore already.

C'est la vie

If making pedantic responses, and the approval of liberal leaning posters are more to your taste the "Speaker's Corner" might be a more equitable hang out. I am not sure if you meet the requred post count, but the rest of your credentials seem to fit. They fit remarkably well for a newcomer.
 
If making pedantic responses, and the approval of liberal leaning posters are more to your taste the "Speaker's Corner" might be a more equitable hang out. I am not sure if you meet the requred post count, but the rest of your credentials seem to fit. They fit remarkably well for a newcomer.

It's almost like he's a returnee spamming crap to try and gain access...hmm...
 
If making pedantic responses, and the approval of liberal leaning posters are more to your taste the "Speaker's Corner" might be a more equitable hang out. I am not sure if you meet the requred post count, but the rest of your credentials seem to fit. They fit remarkably well for a newcomer.
Too well for a newcomer I'd say. :p
 
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