Muse?

Zefan · 29 Dec 2006 at 01:32

lee32uk said:
not really a fan myself but i thought that Starlight was a great track

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What's do you find so great about it in comparison to the rest of their stuff?

Converge · 29 Dec 2006 at 11:49

Zefan said:
Woah there. I've yet to find a single time they play a song worse live than they do in the studio. I don't really play any studio stuff in my playlist as it just doesn't seem Bellamy's style after seeing/hearing them live.

No i meant, seeing them live is much better than listening to a live CD, i think that about any band, seems a bit voyeuristic, hehe.

I never said they sound worse live either, i didnt write it too well, i mean general studio stuff is better than a live *CD*.

escape sanity · 30 Dec 2006 at 05:43

I am a pretty big Muse fan. Wasn't so keen on BH&R though as apart from a couple of songs it just didn't seem as epic as Origin or Absolution. As for unlikely places to hear Muse, there was an episode of Emmerdale which opened with the first minute or so of Butterflies & Hurricanes and ended with the closing bit which was weird as they hardly ever use music like that

Zefan · 30 Dec 2006 at 05:48

escape sanity said:
it just didn't seem as epic as Origin or Absolution.

How can you listen to Knights of Cydonia without it feeling epic? It was written with that in mind! In my eyes the new album is just everything good about them rolled in to a ridiculous yet justifiable overblown masterpiece.

I don't mean to play down the older albums, just don't think this is by any means less epic/good.

escape sanity · 30 Dec 2006 at 06:27

See my edit. Knights of Cydonia is epic even though I partially agree with Northwind that the studio version could have been much better and it doesn't compare to Citizen Erased or Butterflies and Hurricanes. There are a lot of songs that I find quite bland like Supermassive Black Hole, Exo Politics, Assasin and Starlight and two that I can't stand (Soldier's Poem and Invincible) while I liked every single song on Absolution and most on Origin of Symmetry.

Nitefly · 30 Dec 2006 at 09:28

Out of curiosity, why does everyone love Citizen Erased?

Just.. why? The recorded version is so bad compared to any live version. It sounds overproduced and ridiculous, features a rather lacustre riff.. and who said that knights of cydonia has lazy lyrics?!

For one moment
I wish you'd hold your stage
With no feelings at all
Open minded
I'm sure I used to be so free

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Live however it is always a highlight... I just can't understand why everyone loves it so much in the first place. People claim its song structure is amazing, but really its just 'verse chorus verse chorus 'solo' chorus outro', admittedly it does a good job of disguising this.

It is a very good song, but it seems like its trying to be Muses version of Paranoid Android, and whilst I don't like to compare the two, its a lot, lot worse.

One More Solo · 30 Dec 2006 at 10:34

It's loud, epic, has a bit of everything in the song, great riff, great outro etc. It's a great song!

VeNT · 30 Dec 2006 at 11:18

bliss
sunburn
plug in baby
unintended

Augmented · 30 Dec 2006 at 14:19

Nitefly said:
[on Citizen Erased] It sounds overproduced and ridiculous

That it may, but is that not one of the primary attractions of Muse? Stupidly pompous, over-the-top progressive rock, but with enough musicality not to come across as a crass comedy/glam group like The Darkness.

I've become increasingly frustrated with each Muse release. Bellamy has a great knack of writing guitar riffs and epic intros that promise so much in each track, but once you hit the choruses it all lands flat on its face. And I think this is one of the main reasons they seem to work better as a live group than as a recorded group. Part of the fun of seeing a live act is the minute-and-a-half of pogoing to the start of a great track, before everyone gets too tired and stops in time to have a breather during the chorus, and then returning to the pogoing in the next verse/mid-8. You can't really pogo along to a great riff at home, but there are no great choruses to sing along to in place of that.

They do feel like a 'cheap thrill' band at times - yep we've heard the chainsaw riff, the arpeggiated sequencers and pianos with too much reverb enough times now. Personally I'd like to see them explore some different avenues, like they did with Endlessly and The Gallery. Having said that, I've listened to BH&R maybe a couple of times, and rarely listen to any of their older stuff as my tastes have changed in the past few years. I ought to give it another go.

Muse's best tracks?... I guess Sunburn, Muscle Museum, New Born and Cave.

Zefan · 30 Dec 2006 at 15:59

Augmented said:
Cave.

Definitely.

I know one thing for sure, if I were them I would have a very hard time picking a set list.

Sic · 31 Dec 2006 at 12:13

Muse are one of the most frustrating bands in existence. their first 2 albums were totally awesome, but they had the difficult third album and decided to make some safe, boring album that just didn't ever get going. i never used to be able to equate them to anyone, but now i'd say they're very scissor sisters-y. i haven't got a clue what they were thinking with their latest album. it's got no balls, and for me, that's what muse are all about.

Muscle Museum
Unintended
Fillip
Microcuts
Citizen Erased
Stockholm Syndrome (Absolution should have been more ballsy like this - it proves they can still do it, and made me hope that they'd rock out for whatever their new one's called. sadly, they didn't.)

Nitefly · 31 Dec 2006 at 13:07

Sic said:
(Absolution should have been more ballsy like this - it proves they can still do it, and made me hope that they'd rock out for whatever their new one's called. sadly, they didn't.)

The latest album is a lot more 'rockier and upbeat' than absolution IMO.

Just it doesn't winge about lost love, thats all. Well..... not much anyway.

Zefan · 31 Dec 2006 at 16:54

Sic, the new album has got more balls than the first two albums put together. This isn't just my opinion, but the opinion of the band aswell. They've stated time and time again that the first albums songs were written mainly with a teen angst viewpoint. They also say they just went all out on the new album, not worrying about playing it live or if it was in keeping with the rest of their stuff which really, is what music is all about. How can you say that Knights of Cydonia hasn't got balls? Simply releasing Supermassive Black Hole was very "Ballsy" as it was so out of touch from the rest of their stuff.

Sic · 31 Dec 2006 at 20:24

Zefan said:
Sic, the new album has got more balls than the first two albums put together. This isn't just my opinion, but the opinion of the band aswell. They've stated time and time again that the first albums songs were written mainly with a teen angst viewpoint. They also say they just went all out on the new album, not worrying about playing it live or if it was in keeping with the rest of their stuff which really, is what music is all about. How can you say that Knights of Cydonia hasn't got balls? Simply releasing Supermassive Black Hole was very "Ballsy" as it was so out of touch from the rest of their stuff.

opinion of you, or opinion of the band doesn't influence mine at all. if it doesn't sound as ballsy to me then it doesn't. i'm sorry if that's a problem for you, but that doesn't change anything. i don't care what anyone else in the world has to say on the matter. that's what music is all about.

Northwind · 1 Jan 2007 at 18:32

Sic said:
opinion of you, or opinion of the band doesn't influence mine at all. if it doesn't sound as ballsy to me then it doesn't. i'm sorry if that's a problem for you, but that doesn't change anything. i don't care what anyone else in the world has to say on the matter. that's what music is all about.

So why waste time talking about it on an internet forum

For me, the new album's sporadic. There's songs on there I can barely remember, but Map of the Problematique and Assassin have baws like watermelons... And live, well, too much for a lot of the muse crowd to deal with it seems.

Then, I hardly listen to Showbiz any more...

probedb · 1 Jan 2007 at 18:41

Zefan said:
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What's do you find so great about it in comparison to the rest of their stuff?

I guess it's the fact that everyone has different tastes :confused:

Which is what it's all about, if we all liked the same stuff the world would be so utterly dull and boring.

Sic · 1 Jan 2007 at 23:26

Northwind said:
So why waste time talking about it on an internet forum

anything anyone says on an internet forum could be construed as a waste of time

i hardly listen to them anymore tbh. every now and again, a song of theirs will come on the radio or something and i'll enjoy it, but i'm never in the modd to crack out a muse album and waste an hour anymore.

funny how your taste changes (read: matures)

Zefan · 1 Jan 2007 at 23:31

probedb said:
I guess it's the fact that everyone has different tastes Which is what it's all about, if we all liked the same stuff the world would be so utterly dull and boring.

Yes... I actually am interested in hearing an answer though. The actual things people think are better. What's interesting in saying "I like it because I'm different." "I don't like it, because I too am different"?

benjo plz. · 2 Jan 2007 at 00:30

Zefan said:
Black Hole was very "Ballsy" as it was so out of touch from the rest of their stuff.

I think that's where the scissor sistery comment comes in

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Zefan · 2 Jan 2007 at 00:32

Phnom_Penh said:
I think that's where the scissor sistery comment comes in .

I wish I understood.