Music; where did it all go wrong?

Dimple said:
I may be into Metal but I know not to tell people that my music choice is better than theirs.
Terrible way of thinking.
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Plus one, Dimple. Nail on the head.

This is something that I need to make my son understand. I certainly agree with his taste in music, but those who don't are in no way wrong.
 
With regards to the point that always gets raised in these threads, that "There is good music out there, probably more than ever. But it's not in the charts/is harder to find." Do you think the ability to find new, good music has improved with the progression of the Internet and disappearance of record shops? If so, what effect do you think this has had on the 'soul' of music that you treasure so dearly?

Just to make it clear, i agree with you :p
 
Music never went wrong, it's always been and always will be great in all it's forms, you just have to find what you like which given the scope of the internet isnt hard anymore like it was in the 70's/80's.

I think whats wrong is promotion of music, smart people have figured out how to sell music(albeit not very good IMO) to the masses and convince people it's cool to like this stuff. They have tapped a goldmine thats not about music anymore, it's about 'Being cool' and when you are growing up, thats all you want to be.
 
PermaBanned said:
Do you think the ability to find new, good music has improved with the progression of the Internet and disappearance of record shops? If so, what effect do you think this has had on the 'soul' of music that you treasure so dearly?
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Oh definitely, the barrier to getting your music out there and heard is lower than it has ever been. It does require a little more work from fans but the rewards are much higher.
 
Castor said:
Music never went wrong, it's always been and always will be great in all it's forms, you just have to find what you like which given the scope of the internet isnt hard anymore like it was in the 70's
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Ok I think I did have Sounds, Melody Maker & NME in the 70s but the majority of my finds went like this -

(Browsing through the vinyl)
This looks like it could be a rock group (checks back cover & Inside), yeah 2 guitars, bass,drums vocals, look at the titles, yeah could be rock, I'll try it for £1.
Now I could ask to hear a track but I never did because I basically went by the cover because they usually told a story.
Go back the following week - "Have you got any more albums by that band? I'll buy them all".
Assistant gets out a massive book with all releases in it - "Do you want me to order that in for you?"
"Yes please".
I would then introduce friends to my new finds and take them along to rock disco's and this way of buying for me went on up until the mid 80s.
I know that when I got married in 1980 I had over 3000 vinyl albums and virtually every one of them had been bought in the above way (unless it was a latest album by a band I'd already found).

The Internet has made finding new music an absolute treat and especially one service which I'm not going to mention.
 
PermaBanned said:
But does it have less soul than a record shop?
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OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
For me a record shop was like a shrine and a religious experience.
I have a terrible memory but I can still remember the time & moment I bought particular albums and why.
For instance I bought the first Queen album because it said on the back 'No Synthesizers'.
In 1987/88 I became a Vicar in a Heavy Metal record shop called Lotus in Hanley and I had so many new flock to preach to.
I knew what people would want before they came in and they usually went away with it.
 
PermaBanned said:
Now you see, i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :p
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Definitely not.
From the age of 12 all my pocket and paper boy money went on vinyl and every Friday I'd invade 2 shops in Longton and then on a Saturday I'd go to Hanley.
The problem with me though is that I liked virtually everything and I'd come back with 3 totally different albums - Black Sabbath, The Supremes & Donavan and then the next week it would be Budgie, Fairport Convention & Mozart.
I was lucky that all our main record shops had second hand bins so the majority of stuff came from there.
 
Contrast that to my upbringing, i've bought perhaps one or two CDs in my entire life. Practically all of the music i listen to that isn't on Grooveshark or Youtube comes from my dad's CD collection. I've never heard anything played on Vinyl in the flesh, my dad keeps a few disk that he can't bear to part with, but he didn't have a turntable for the past decade, and he hasn't taken one (admittedly probably rubbish one) that someone got him for Christmas a few years ago out of the box. Every time i ask him if i can play something he says that he doesn't trust me not to scratch them.
 
Dimple said:
Assistant gets out a massive book with all releases in it - "Do you want me to order that in for you?"
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Ha yeah, unless i went to Penny Lane records in Liverpool for all things metal, i would go to a local record store that was tiny but full of great vinyl. They would never have what i wanted so i'd always ask the girl behind the counter, she would get out this massive ledger to order it for me, she was pretty hot but i was always interested in that ledger and everything in it, it was like some religious relic of ancient knowledge :D
 
Grimley said:
This. He's become too powerful in the Music industry these days & I'm just not interested in what's in the top ten singles because of him. :mad:
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So he is responsible for all the music in the top 10?
What about the top 40 because some of those top 10s must have been in the top 40 going in and coming out?
The things you learn on here, Simon Cowell is responsible for every single that gets into the top 40.
 
For me, (and if you're thick you can cry racist on me) the rot startedin this country at the turn of the millennium with the start of the dreadful "UK Garage" genre and the rise of "RnB" becoming the default as far as pop is concerned.
 
Theres still great music being made, even in the 'mainstream'.

The problem with the current trend of living is that it is a throw away culture, music is no exception, the music made by the general mass is for short lived fast profit generating, find a trend and bleed it dry. Dare to be different and that isn't deemed profitable.

Theres still plenty of good music around, it isn't main stream or popular for the most part but it is around. Miike snow is a perfect example i feel, great songs, really diverse album, music is featured on tv and media but isn't played massively on radio or publicized hugely (not adored by the general masses), Mumford and sons are great too, obviously only personal preference but examples that are noteworthy.

As for using Oasis to emphasize this i think its a little unfair, they birthed an era and to say music today lacks because people are not doing what Oasis did back then implies that bands that special were throwing hits in the charts left right and center!

Side note+++

To add, there was just as much PAP around then, babylon zoo's space man springs to mind instantly when i think of Oasis, funny that how an era can imprint itself so deeply, the two have nothing to do with each other than they were released in the same decade!
 
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