my clio engine
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they can reduce lag yes (due to a smaller vessel) but when your trying to cool 60 deg air with 50 deg water it does not help muchMAXIBOY said:
with a charge cooler you have a heat xfer from Air>water rad to cool the water, water does not cool that rapidly and once warm holds heat take a simple look at how long your rad in your car holds the heat. then you have the xfer from water back to air to cool the charged air. each of these heat transfers will never be 100% effeciant so slowly the water will get hotter.
ideally you want your inlet temp to be 40c or below, for short runs the charge cooler is better but in a longer run the fmic is better due to there is no need to cool the water that retains the heat it is just a direct cooling transfer
a prime example of this are celica gt4s with there charge cooler system its quite frankly awfull and common for the 'cooling' water to reach 50-60c itself.
im not a big water charge cooler fan unless its for rally stages or its impossible for a fmic to be mounted, i have also thought it could be quite a good idea to incorperate an aircon system for cooling charge air although again not quite sure how well this would work.
regards
Andy
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[TW]Fox said:
You are forgetting one important thing: it is French.
Age has no bearing on how often it will fall to bits/how often you will feel like torching it due to there being approximatey eighty three different alternators for that model year et cetera.
As for the car in question, it has so much potential...
Ditch the wing and the skirts, paint it high-gloss black and get some wheels with a decent amount of dish.
But if you are spending so much time, money and effort on the engine and car, the temptation for me would be to stick it in the back where you can really use the power.
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MAXIBOY said:
Good lad for not taking all the crap on here to heart. If we were all the same how boring would we be. Personally the colour isnt for me but ah well what do I know or whats my thoughts worth! I had a 1.4RT that I kitted out when I was 20 and I had all the same from differing people. My kit wasnt 5k's worth but it was about a 1k it was the terminator kit and was ok a few years ago. I was seriously thinking of putting a 5GTT engine in or a valver but I ended up selling and getting a 172 for a easy life. Now I have grew out of it completely
The modding scene has changed really these days if its not jap people call it crap. I think the engine looks great and you must be grining ear to ear!
Malachy said:they can reduce lag yes (due to a smaller vessel) but when your trying to cool 60 deg air with 50 deg water it does not help much
with a charge cooler you have a heat xfer from Air>water rad to cool the water, water does not cool that rapidly and once warm holds heat take a simple look at how long your rad in your car holds the heat. then you have the xfer from water back to air to cool the charged air. each of these heat transfers will never be 100% effeciant so slowly the water will get hotter.
ideally you want your inlet temp to be 40c or below, for short runs the charge cooler is better but in a longer run the fmic is better due to there is no need to cool the water that retains the heat it is just a direct cooling transfer
a prime example of this are celica gt4s with there charge cooler system its quite frankly awfull and common for the 'cooling' water to reach 50-60c itself.
im not a big water charge cooler fan unless its for rally stages or its impossible for a fmic to be mounted, i have also thought it could be quite a good idea to incorperate an aircon system for cooling charge air although again not quite sure how well this would work.
regards
Andy
But they don't half look good
Mmmmmm....alloy fab...
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Hate said:
You do understand the purpose of a chargecooler/intercooler don't you?
They are heat sinks. Yes you may get 500hp on one run, I bet the run after you won't though as you need to give them time to cool down.
Whilst water takes a long time to heat up, it also takes a long time to cool down.
Simon said:
Hear, hear.
Most applications for CC's are Rally or Drag where the operating time is relatively short.
Once the water is heated by the charge, the efficiency drops and gets progressively worse over time. IC's on the otherhand have a limitless supply of air for their heat transfer and thus the efficiency is fairly constant albeit at the slight disadvantage of a bit of lag.
If you had a large, fresh supply of cold water then it would be a different story but I dont think the advantages of storing a water butt in the boot are particularly great
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Malachy said:hence why i am running a t3 exhaust t4comp .63 ar turbonetics roller bearing turbo in my 306, a t28 just wouldnt do
GT28RS or GT2871R no problems.