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The VX220 is more Lotus than the Elise
I can't comment on the 17s, but the one I borrowed had 17s at the rear and 16s at the front as Lotus supposedly intended.
Don't forget not everyone has your motorsport background.
My first RWD and turbo car
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Don't forget not everyone has your motorsport background.
Soldato
I simply can't believe anyone could be this stupid
Unfortunately the wrong way to do it is pretty instinctual, an Elise starts to understeer and the first thing most drivers will do is add more lock and stamp on the brakes, what I was taught on driver training (and probably the only reason my car remained on the road) is that to correct understeer in an Elise you need to remove lock to get front end grip again. It feels very unnatural and it was one of the many things that taught me what a pants driver I am when it all goes wrong.
VX220 - Lotus worked on by Lotus & styled/engined by GM
Elise - Lotus designed/styled with a Rover engine popped in the back.
Unless I have missed part of the story?
It's usually used in jest... The Z22se engine was designed by Lotus for GM.
I simply can't believe anyone could be this stupid
You can't see how it is done? Driver steers into a corner but the car continues straight on and they now have less space to complete the same turn so add more steering lock. Just watch Top Gear SIARPC section for full lock understeer into the grass.
I must get on a walshy day soon.
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VX220 - Lotus worked on by Lotus & styled/engined by GM
Elise - Lotus designed/styled with a Rover engine popped in the back.
Unless I have missed part of the story?
The 2.2 engine in the VX220 was developed by Lotus
The 2.2 engine in the VX220 was developed by Lotus
On the flip side, the badge on the front was made by Vauxhall, which arguably makes the Elise more of a Lotus
Caporegime
That makes it more Lotus than Colin Chapman......
I'll give you that, I've not driven the turbo.
I haven't driven an Elise, but I have driven an S1 Exige on track. The Exige had hugely more more grip and as a result was harder to reach the limits of the car, since you were going that much faster! Still a fantastic car though. I should be out in a S2 Exige soon, so I'm looking forwards to that.
The feedback I had from some of my friends who were S1 elise owners was that the VX was a little easier on the limit, in part because the vauxhall engine had more torque and was more flexible than the rover.
If that's an offer I'd be more than happy to
You are absolutely correct about this. It's an incredibly common mistake even among experienced drivers.
Driver: "Oh that car has terrible snap oversteer, its undrivable"
Instructor: "You are actually generating too much understeer. Carry less speed into the corner and use less steering "
Driver "LOLWUT?"
Instructor
To be fair on Mike, since the VX was even built on the same production line as the Elise, and taking into account the engine, his tongue in cheek comment isn't that far off!
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It's quite simple...
Elise - Lotus car, Rover engine.
VX220 NA - Lotus car, Lotus engine.
The fact Vauxhall put some crap wheels and a badge on it is neither here nor there given the context of my comment
Elise - Lotus car, Rover engine.
VX220 NA - Lotus car, Lotus engine.
The fact Vauxhall put some crap wheels and a badge on it is neither here nor there given the context of my comment
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Who designed the VX220 body panels and interior?
What about the Turbo engine?
What about the Turbo engine?
It's quite simple...
Elise - Lotus car, Rover engine.
VX220 NA - Lotus car, Lotus engine.
The fact Vauxhall put some crap wheels and a badge on it is neither here nor there given the context of my comment
Does that mean the old Seat Ibiza has a Porsche engine.
By your logic many engines would be Ricardo engines then...
Soldato
Shadowness how much boost you running?
No idea mate. I assume standard, the only performance mods are the VXR exhaust and remap.
It'll be going in for a service soon, so I'll ask them to check it all over.
It'll be going in for a service soon, so I'll ask them to check it all over.
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No, it would mean the engine was more Porsche than another engine that wasn't developed in colaboration with Porsche.
Similarly, the 2.2 engine found in the VX220 it more Lotus than the K-Series which was not developed by Lotus.
Thus -
Elise S1 111S (which is the NAs VX220's closest counter-part IIRC) was built by Lotus, has Lotus chassis and Rover engine
VX220NA was built by Lotus, has a Lotus chassis and a Lotus developed engine.
I'm failing to see where the confusion is
No, it would mean the engine was more Porsche than another engine that wasn't developed in colaboration with Porsche.
Similarly, the 2.2 engine found in the VX220 it more Lotus than the K-Series which was not developed by Lotus.
Thus -
Elise S1 111S (which is the NAs VX220's closest counter-part IIRC) was built by Lotus, has Lotus chassis and Rover engine
VX220NA was built by Lotus, has a Lotus chassis and a Lotus developed engine.
I'm failing to see where the confusion is
You said the VX220 engine was a "Lotus engine". It is not, it's a GM engine that Lotus helped to develop. Lotus do not manufacture or even build the engine.
Lotus did their own development work on the K series, making the 190bhp VHPD engine, so is an Elise with a VHPD engine more of a Lotus than the standard car?
Soldato
Just buy a Lotus Frontera... its got a 2.2L engine and drives like an elise. Rumour has it that this spec Frontera will also climb Snowden - its a true breadth of capability. 