My hair transplant journey

NoNameNoNumber said:
I'm struggling to see what the point in a transplant is without being resigned to the fact you're on Finasteride for the rest of your life.
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dowie said:
Yeah that's the thing... I mean you get plenty of notice when you start balding so... if you're gonna take that stuff then might as well before you get to the point where you need a transplant.

Seems like a lot more to deal with if you let yourself get to the point where it is really noticeable, don't want to shave it off then decide to go for a transplant and have to take the anti hair loss drug to then protect the transplanted hair that you perhaps could have given a shot before it got to that point.
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A hair transplant does not require Finasteride for the rest of your life. It has been shows to aid hair growth and can help to prevent further hair loss, but it is not required and I would say it's not ideal to take a daily dose of medication of any kind unless you can really help it https://www.theindependentpharmacy.co.uk/hair-loss/guides/finasteride-results

Freefaller said:
Nope how can I empathise on something I don't understand?

But I am a bit thick so it's probably why. :)
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Fair point, a couple of decades of meeting and dealing with lots of people has taught me that not everyone has the same levels of basic empathy and emotional intelligence.
 
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Funny thing is I can empathise with a lot of things, but hair loss is just not one of them. Having been to war torn countries and helped orphans and refugees, and helped build temporary shelters etc (many many years ago now when I did some volunteering during my national service) I was totally moved and wrapped up in the moment and the people - I felt the pain, anguish and fear of these people. So I'm not totally devoid of emotional intelligence, in fact as a director / senior business leader of large businesses especially in this more sensitive ****flake day and age, you need a lot more than ever - but hair loss is just not something I can comprehend getting emotional over or how it is so important other than pure vanity. And I find vanity absolutely ridiculous.
 
Freefaller said:
Funny thing is I can empathise with a lot of things, but hair loss is just not one of them. Having been to war torn countries and helped orphans and refugees, and helped build temporary shelters etc (many many years ago now when I did some volunteering during my national service) I was totally moved and wrapped up in the moment and the people - I felt the pain, anguish and fear of these people. So I'm not totally devoid of emotional intelligence, in fact as a director / senior business leader of large businesses especially in this more sensitive ****flake day and age, you need a lot more than ever - but hair loss is just not something I can comprehend getting emotional over or how it is so important other than pure vanity. And I find vanity absolutely ridiculous.
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Sorry man but we are talking about hair transplants and people who legitimately feel self-conscious about losing their hair, not comparing it to war torn countries and refugee orphans. I mean seriously the comparison is so ridiculous that I am sitting here laughing to myself.

What you are doing is classic virtue signalling, feeling the need to come into a thread he has no stake in and loudly tell everyone how he can't understand how anyone could care about such things because he is so secure in himself, while simultaneously announcing how much of a good person he is. If that isn't the epitome of vanity mixed with insecurity then I don't know what is.

PS: I of course think it's great that you have done all of those things, but they have absolutely no relevance to this thread.
 
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I see this place hasn't changed.

Sorry little Richy didn't mean to upset your sensitive nature.

I'd hug you if it wasn't for physical distancing at the moment. I don't hate you - I'm sure you'd end up loving me if you met me :)

You make good points, I guess I just don't see eye to eye with you and that's fine.

You challenged my character - I responded as to why I find the concept somewhat strange.

I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
 
Freefaller said:
Funny thing is I can empathise with a lot of things, but hair loss is just not one of them. Having been to war torn countries and helped orphans and refugees, and helped build temporary shelters etc (many many years ago now when I did some volunteering during my national service) I was totally moved and wrapped up in the moment and the people - I felt the pain, anguish and fear of these people. So I'm not totally devoid of emotional intelligence, in fact as a director / senior business leader of large businesses especially in this more sensitive ****flake day and age, you need a lot more than ever - but hair loss is just not something I can comprehend getting emotional over or how it is so important other than pure vanity. And I find vanity absolutely ridiculous.
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LOL
 
I can completely understand the knock to confidence that going bald could cause and I almost think that's t a separate issue to the baldness itself. If the hair transplant brings back that confidence then it makes more sense to me.

I suppose going bald for me never really knocked confidence and as I shaved it all off pretty quick, I never had the awkward 'clinging on to my hair' phase.

I'll happily concede that I definitely don't look at people's 'flaws' in the way that many do though so most people's body hang ups go way over my head.

It always amazes me when my wife or my friends will make a comment about someone's hair / eyebrows / clothes or whatever as I would never have noticed it in a million years. If that's how people view others then no wonder they worry about what they look like themselves!
 
I guess I'm in the minority for thinking this is not a big deal.

I apologise for any offence caused. Genuinely didn't mean to.

Good luck with your hair transplant OP hope it goes well and it restores your confidence and happiness.
 
I don't think it's a big deal either, but it is an opinion. Hair transplants seem to me like a waste of money, but it's their money to waste. If you really feel that upset about your lack of hair and can afford hair transplant, I'd say go for it.
 
Freefaller said:
I see this place hasn't changed.

Sorry little Richy didn't mean to upset your sensitive nature.

I'd hug you if it wasn't for physical distancing at the moment. I don't hate you - I'm sure you'd end up loving me if you met me :)

You make good points, I guess I just don't see eye to eye with you and that's fine.

You challenged my character - I responded as to why I find the concept somewhat strange.

I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
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Hate? Dude, I am sure you are a lovely guy and I am just reacting to your posts in one thread at one point in time. As much as a narky and difficult sod as I can on occasion be, I do object to people coming into a thread where people have legitimate insecurities with their physical appearance and then indirectly suggesting that those concerns are petty and that they should just get over it because far worse things are happening around the world. Doing this, whether with bad intentions or not, is unnecessary and simply makes other people feel worse about themselves. But my genuine apologies if I worded my initial response a bit harshly, I do that sometimes.

If I remember rightly from the pics that I saw of you some years ago in the OCUK Rogues Gallery, you are (or were, no idea what you look like now heh) objectively a decent looking and very muscular guy (I remember your weights threads) who suits having no hair, so maybe you just need to try put yourself in the shoes of the many people who don't have those physical attributes to fall back on and for whom their self-worth and confidence is already a fragile thing even without losing their hair. Also consider that losing hair early is also perceived as a sign of premature ageing and lowering of male virility and people do get mocked for it as well as lose a lot of confidence. One example of many articles to read more about it is here: https://www.forhims.com/blog/the-psychological-impact-of-male-hair-loss

I do not consider myself an especially vain guy (I just like to look and feel good about myself), but at the same time do I really want to lose my hair earlier than I need to when I love having hair and also have completely the wrong size and shape head for a buzzcut (potential scary neo nazl)? Do I want to lose one of my favourite features while I am still free and single and want to look and feel my best when out and about among the fairer sex? Hell noooooo and that is part of the wonder of modern technology and having the disposable income to avoid things like that. Same with getting my eyes lasered to get rid of my glasses a few years ago, which was undoubtedly one of the best things I ever did as I hated wearing and relying on them. :D

We are of course all free to post an opinion, but sometimes what we post isn't always well received. If you then don't agree with my feedback you can also always tell me to sod off and I would not be offended (and often deserve it). :)
 
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Freefaller said:
Funny thing is I can empathise with a lot of things, but hair loss is just not one of them. Having been to war torn countries and helped orphans and refugees, and helped build temporary shelters etc (many many years ago now when I did some volunteering during my national service) I was totally moved and wrapped up in the moment and the people - I felt the pain, anguish and fear of these people. So I'm not totally devoid of emotional intelligence, in fact as a director / senior business leader of large businesses especially in this more sensitive ****flake day and age, you need a lot more than ever - but hair loss is just not something I can comprehend getting emotional over or how it is so important other than pure vanity. And I find vanity absolutely ridiculous.
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Okay so a cancer patient comes to you and all their hair is falling out and they feel terrible.

Your answer is I don't understand why you are so upset. It's just hair.

Not sure if serious.

Hair is a huge industry as a leader of large businesses you should know this. People spend thousands per year on haircuts, shampoos, conditioners, oils, scrubs, treatments, etc. It's a big part of people's lives. I know people who go to the barber on a weekly basis and he's the top guy in Glasgow and spend the best part of £50 a pop. He does footballers often too. If you want lines depending on the complexity it ranges up to £200 that will last 2 weeks at best.

Whether you have cancer related loss or not some people have a huge affinity with hair and losing it affects them deeply. Alopecia is another example as is male pattern baldness.

Hair is seen as a natural sign of beauty. As is a lot of other things. So yeah bald men can look good as can bald women. But majority of people would prefer a partner with thick hair that looks good.

I don't see what is so hard to understand.
 
Richdog said:
A hair transplant does not require Finasteride for the rest of your life. It has been shows to aid hair growth and can help to prevent further hair loss, but it is not required and I would say it's not ideal to take a daily dose of medication of any kind unless you can really help it
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True, the point perhaps is more if you’re going to take that rather than you have to. Would be better to have just started with the drug earlier rather than getting a transplant for your hair loss at that point in time AND taking it to prevent further loss.

If you’re still losing hair then further transplants are an option too I guess.

Personal opinion I don’t think either surgical procedures or daily medication are a good idea here but I guess it affects people differently, I wouldn’t try and dismiss or belittle those sorts of concerns.
 
I've already apologised for being insensitive, it's clearly a bigger issue for some men than I had anticipated. I personally find it really hard to understand that particular issue about hair loss. Though it has been made clear that for some men this is hugely troubling, something that I went through (I've been bald/balding since my early 20s - in my 40s now) and never really even thought about it in the aspects that others have highlighted here.

@Richdog patiently pointed out how it can have severe psychological impact for some men. I was using my example to showcase that I can empathise with some things, but just find it hard to empathise about hair loss - and we've come to a mutual acceptance of our views.

I don't want to drag this out any further from the OP - as I said, I accept it's a bigger issue for some, but it is regardless, difficult to me to empathise specifically about hair loss.


Psycho Sonny said:
It's the same thing though both are upset about losing their hair.

Whether you lose a foot to diabetes or a landmine the end result is the same.
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It really isn't the same thing. But anyway I've explained above. Take it or leave it @Psycho Sonny but that's how I feel about it.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
It's the same thing though both are upset about losing their hair.

Whether you lose a foot to diabetes or a landmine the end result is the same.
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Erm, not quite. I'm bald and I've had cancer so I'll add my perspective.

Luckily I didn't lose my hair due to chemo. I was already mostly bald. But facing cancer is horrible. It's life threatening obviously. It's on your mind constantly. Will you live? Will you leave your children fatherless (or motherless of course - but I think losing hair is worse for women). Then throw into the equation an extra kick in the teeth of losing your hair rapidly, over a few weeks, with no time to adjust to it, at a time when you're feeling awful, probably very ill and worried about the future.

Natural MBP (which is how I actually lost my hair) is usually gradual over many years. It's also unpleasant. But you're not worried about dying too and you're not feeling crap with chemo, worried about the future, worried for your children, etc. You have more mental strength to deal with a natural ageing process. It's still horrible for many people. I was lucky in that it never bothered me too much. So maybe I find it a little harder to understand why people get so upset about it. But I can certainly empathise.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
It's the same thing though both are upset about losing their hair.
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It's not the same thing at all. One is caused by a horrible disease and the treatment, the other usually by a genetic trait that doesn't affect your health other than a slight knock to your mental health if it bothers you.

I haven't bothered quoting your analogy because it's pretty coocoo if I'm being honest.
 
Guys this is going off the rails a bit! In the end, for the purposes of this thread, it doesn't matter how anyone goes bald... it's not a competition for the worst story behind it. :D All that matters is that someone is not happy with their hair loss, for whatever reason important and personal to them, and wants to address it. There's no need for friction or arguments because if you do not give a toots about your hair loss then there is no need to be posting in this thread unless you have anything constructive or helpful to add. :)
 
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