My new movie setup, what sub/4k player

hornetstinger · 23 Nov 2018 at 17:48

There's a pair of celestion A2 on gumtree. Originally £1600. You won't buy better speakers for the price. They are great speakers but 4ohm

FrankJH · 23 Nov 2018 at 19:13

hornetstinger said:
As for matching versus non matching I would rather have higher quality non matching speakers, that inferior quality matching. Ie a while ago I had kef q75 speakers these were large floorstanders. The matching q speaker was the kef q9c. It was awful.

So i went for the kef model 200 reference. Non matching buy quality far exceeding the q9c. Also instead of just bring a two driver speaker it was a four driver speaker. Being physically bigger with more drivers wider frequency response higher max output it could keep up with the big q75's.

There will always be individual cases of that - that's what demos are for

lost0ne33 · 23 Nov 2018 at 22:23

hornetstinger said:
There's a pair of celestion A2 on gumtree. Originally £1600. You won't buy better speakers for the price. They are great speakers but 4ohm

nice

lost0ne33 · 23 Nov 2018 at 23:35

lucid said:
I thought I had seen bookshelf speakers on their site in the past. Can't seem to find them now, but possibly it's because I am browsing by phone.

Dont think i brought this up but I was thinking of using table-top TV mount base like this:

But it needs about 12 inch of room under the TV for putting speakers under it. If you have the expertise what would you recommend?

lucid · 24 Nov 2018 at 00:08

You've written asking about lots of options in your various threads. I'm sure you've mentioned this kind of idea, though the first product you came across had an issue with toppling iirc.

Anyway, if it works for you then go for it. You know the depth of your cabinet and the low you're trying to achieve.

I don't know if you'll need 12" of clearance though. That sounds a bit excessive.The Q650c is 8.25" tall. The front L & R speakers.should be on stands, so you shouldn't need clearance heght for those. I think if you allow 10" then you'll cover the speaker height and have some allowance for the pedestal thickness too.

hornetstinger · 24 Nov 2018 at 00:09

I went for origin stand it holds TV which can be raised or lowered with two shelves and bottom wooden shelf. All audio gear off to the side on proper stand. Center on one of the glass shelves below TV.

Means I have more space on front wall, for the big speakers and sub. Or enough space for two subs.

hornetstinger · 24 Nov 2018 at 00:16

In a smaller room and/or if you are close to side/rear walls I would go for bipoles. Regular speakers need distance behind you otherwise soundfield is too distracting. I've used monopole, bipole, and dipole side/surround speakers. Currently use bipole side, monopole rears but in previous room used dipole side with bipole rear then replaced dipoles with bipoles as sound tracka moved from matrix ed pro logic to discrete

lost0ne33 · 24 Nov 2018 at 00:22

lucid said:
You've written asking about lots of options in your various threads. I'm sure you've mentioned this kind of idea, though the first product you came across had an issue with toppling iirc.

Sorry if I did ask before but I haven't come across any issue of toppling mind. I was reading the manual and I sure that it said it was 12" but I could be wrong. I also looked at the manual of speaker placement and it said it was ok to place on a bookshelf but that may have only been for stereo setups.

I was looking at the option of putting them on wall mounts but was told they would be too boomy.

Also it seems that the speakers need more room. Not sure if i can fit them in?

lost0ne33 · 24 Nov 2018 at 02:51

hornetstinger said:
In a smaller room and/or if you are close to side/rear walls I would go for bipoles. Regular speakers need distance behind you otherwise soundfield is too distracting. I've used monopole, bipole, and dipole side/surround speakers. Currently use bipole side, monopole rears but in previous room used dipole side with bipole rear then replaced dipoles with bipoles as sound tracka moved from matrix ed pro logic to discrete

Umm bipoles, new to me. What brand/model do you recommend? Theres not much on Amazon, I would have them as a rear but not sides to ottp for my needs.

Looking at the kef manual they need a lot of room wich im not sure i have.

It bit screwed up but this is the setup with the q150 rear and frount but its so wrong.

The chairs are in the way of the speakers. And the speakers are too close to the wall. I would go for dipoles as long as i can put them on the rear wall right at the back but for sure that would be to far? I cant put the chairs at the back as the distance to the TV is too far for my likeing. Hope I make sense so late eh.

hornetstinger · 24 Nov 2018 at 08:57

Dipoles should be on the side wall at exactly 3 and 9 o clock position. Bipoles can be on side and rear wall. So you're going with 5.1 not 7.1?

Not sure kef make bipoles they only have dipoles.also there are differences between them. Bipoles have both faces in phase. Dipoles have one face out of phase, this faces the back wall. Tripole speakers also exist but m&k are only ones who make them.

"Pole" speakers are quite expensive if fact 2x more expensive than the identical fronts as they have 2x as many drivers. Or in case of nhp-2, 2.5 X times two treble, two mid, one bass.

I use definitive technology BP-2x for sides now, and used nht hdp-2 dipoles in past for sides. Got spare pair of BP-2x and hdp-2

The benefits of dedicated surround speakers is they are designed to be wall mounted, are slimmer in depth to similar monopole speaker and can provide a more diffused soundstage, as I said if you are close to speakers it's what I would use say 1.5m or less.

lost0ne33 · 24 Nov 2018 at 14:59

hornetstinger said:
Dipoles should be on the side wall at exactly 3 and 9 o clock position. Bipoles can be on side and rear wall. So you're going with 5.1 not 7.1?

Not sure kef make bipoles they only have dipoles.also there are differences between them. Bipoles have both faces in phase. Dipoles have one face out of phase, this faces the back wall. Tripole speakers also exist but m&k are only ones who make them.

"Pole" speakers are quite expensive if fact 2x more expensive than the identical fronts as they have 2x as many drivers. Or in case of nhp-2, 2.5 X times two treble, two mid, one bass.

I use definitive technology BP-2x for sides now, and used nht hdp-2 dipoles in past for sides. Got spare pair of BP-2x and hdp-2

The benefits of dedicated surround speakers is they are designed to be wall mounted, are slimmer in depth to similar monopole speaker and can provide a more diffused soundstage, as I said if you are close to speakers it's what I would use say 1.5m or less.

Very informative, I am going to have a look at bipoles. Thanks

Yes I am indeed going for 5.1.

Audio t told me to go with the Dali Spektor 1 as they are not fussy with placement, have you had any experience with those

hornetstinger · 24 Nov 2018 at 18:57

Celeation A1 on auction site. Original price was £900, so £200 is good price.

lost0ne33 · 24 Nov 2018 at 22:26

hornetstinger said:
Celeation A1 on auction site. Original price was £900, so £200 is good price.

I'm from south wales, need somthing closer by. Thanks for looking mind. Regards

Bigpig · 25 Nov 2018 at 07:09

The Sony UBP-X700 can suffer form lockups while watching Blurays. It resets it self after a minute or two buts it's annoying when it happens.

lost0ne33 · 25 Nov 2018 at 19:14

lucid said:
You've written asking about lots of options in your various threads. I'm sure you've mentioned this kind of idea, though the first product you came across had an issue with toppling iirc.

Anyway, if it works for you then go for it. You know the depth of your cabinet and the low you're trying to achieve.

I don't know if you'll need 12" of clearance though. That sounds a bit excessive.The Q650c is 8.25" tall. The front L & R speakers.should be on stands, so you shouldn't need clearance heght for those. I think if you allow 10" then you'll cover the speaker height and have some allowance for the pedestal thickness too.

Is this placment ok?

lost0ne33 · 13 Dec 2018 at 15:49

lucid said:
You've written asking about lots of options in your various threads. I'm sure you've mentioned this kind of idea, though the first product you came across had an issue with toppling iirc.

Anyway, if it works for you then go for it. You know the depth of your cabinet and the low you're trying to achieve.

I don't know if you'll need 12" of clearance though. That sounds a bit excessive.The Q650c is 8.25" tall. The front L & R speakers.should be on stands, so you shouldn't need clearance heght for those. I think if you allow 10" then you'll cover the speaker height and have some allowance for the pedestal thickness too.

I just wanted to say thanks for the help and to sorry for bieng a pain (im persistent what can i say) im on budget restraints for now so i can get a set up later. Thank you and have a lovely Christmas