My opinion on Wayne Rooney

dannyjo22 said:
I think you could build a similar list of teams Messi has failed to score against? I think international football especially with England isn't a good benchmark. Most of them barely give a ****.

Ashley Cole is about the only consistent performer I can think of over the years. Even Beckham lived off one game for 56 years.
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I hope you for mean Greece
 
I think Kompany is a wonderful player, however, he predominantly defends on the front foot. He struggles to defend on the back foot, which in my opinion limits him defensively.
 
lucarocks92 said:
Robben is a much better player than Bale. Bale isn't really that talented of a footballer, he has good power and pace with a good left foot but his technical ability is no where near as good as it should be to call him word class.
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Robben is not all that.

his a good player but not world class.

dives a lot too and makes the same runs cutting inside all the time
 
jonneymendoza said:
Robben is not all that.

his a good player but not world class.

dives a lot too and makes the same runs cutting inside all the time
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This is, honestly, one of the dumbest things I've read in years. Years. Of course he cuts in a lot, he's left footed and plays on the right. Everyone knows what he's going to do - yet you still can't stop it. Ronaldo plays on the left and, shock horror, cuts in a lot. Therefore, he sucks. Messi uses his left foot too much - he sucks as well.

Wow. Just wow.
 
Andybtsn said:
Full retard mode exceeded previous full retard :p
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Combo breaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Anyone over Ronaldo is daft, Messi is fantastic but has gone through a below par(for him) 12-18 months. Messi's record is great and he's a great player but his last 18 months haven't been close to Ronaldo. Longevity records mean nothing, like Rooney's, if you actually have a list of strikers who play for a decade in the same league the list would be phenomenally short. If one player plays from 16 to 36 in the premier league but no other striker players for more than 10 years, does scoring a few more goals in twice the time frame mean anything at all?

Ronaldo is by a pretty huge margin better than Robben currently. A not great world cup because HE WAS INJURED is not a measure of which player is better.

Robben 8 starts 1 sub, 5 goals 3 assists 35 shots, brilliant... however
Ronaldo 11 starts 20 goals, 6 assists, 67 shots.

Robben goals/shots is 1:7, assists/games is 1:3. goals/games 1:2
Ronaldo goals/shots is 1:3.5, assists/games is 1:2. goals/games 2:1

Ronaldo is by a pretty large margin beating the living crap out of Robben, in a less one sided league.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Combo breaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:p

Anyone over Ronaldo is daft, Messi is fantastic but has gone through a below par(for him) 12-18 months. Messi's record is great and he's a great player but his last 18 months haven't been close to Ronaldo. Longevity records mean nothing, like Rooney's, if you actually have a list of strikers who play for a decade in the same league the list would be phenomenally short. If one player plays from 16 to 36 in the premier league but no other striker players for more than 10 years, does scoring a few more goals in twice the time frame mean anything at all?

Ronaldo is by a pretty huge margin better than Robben currently. A not great world cup because HE WAS INJURED is not a measure of which player is better.

Robben 8 starts 1 sub, 5 goals 3 assists 35 shots, brilliant... however
Ronaldo 11 starts 20 goals, 6 assists, 67 shots.

Robben goals/shots is 1:7, assists/games is 1:3. goals/games 1:2
Ronaldo goals/shots is 1:3.5, assists/games is 1:2. goals/games 2:1

Ronaldo is by a pretty large margin beating the living crap out of Robben, in a less one sided league.
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Football is not all about goals. It's a team game and Robben is one of the best team players around. Robben gives a much better contribution to the team over 90 minutes.

Robben was unbelievable in the world cup he is always causing other defenders trouble for 90 minutes.

Ronaldo goes invisible for large parts of a game and offers very little at times.
 
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I really wanted to avoid this... BUT..

Sorry as the OP I am going to to have to redefine what WORLD CLASS means

"Simply put, world class means if you were going to pick the best 23 player squad in the world, then that player would be part of that squad"

So (broadly speaking):

Best 3 goal keepers
Best 4 Center halves
Best 2 left backs
Best 2 right backs
Best 4 center midfielders
Best 2 left wingers
Best 2 right wingers
Best 4 strikers/forwards

That is all. Please don't argue with my definition else you are wrong.
 
lucarocks92 said:
Football is not all about goals. It's a team game and Robben is one of the best team players around. Robben gives a much better contribution to the team over 90 minutes.

Robben was unbelievable in the world cup he is always causing other defenders trouble for 90 minutes.

Ronaldo goes invisible for large parts of a game and offers very little at times.
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Ronaldo rarely goes missing he is often heavily involved, I offered stats beyond goals, Ronaldo is getting more assists per game currently, but sure offers nothing. He's also killer at set pieces, defensive and offensive he'll win headers. More so than Robben, Ronaldo is often double/triple man marked attempting to stop him scoring, they still usually fail. Ronaldo contributes as much/more than Robben over 90 minutes while also being more prolific by a monumental amount.

AS for the world cup, Robben both wasn't unbelievable, the world cup is a poor quality of football, Holland in general but Robben/RVP/everyone on the team had 1-2 amazing games and did very very little after that.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Ronaldo rarely goes missing he is often heavily involved, I offered stats beyond goals, Ronaldo is getting more assists per game currently, but sure offers nothing. He's also killer at set pieces, defensive and offensive he'll win headers. More so than Robben, Ronaldo is often double/triple man marked attempting to stop him scoring, they still usually fail. Ronaldo contributes as much/more than Robben over 90 minutes while also being more prolific by a monumental amount.

AS for the world cup, Robben both wasn't unbelievable, the world cup is a poor quality of football, Holland in general but Robben/RVP/everyone on the team had 1-2 amazing games and did very very little after that.
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Ronaldo has turned into the ultimate poacher, I just dont like his style of play any more. His goal scoring record is unquestionable but from i have seen of him he only shows up in glimpses when he plays against good opposition.

Suarez for example is constantly running around the final third terrorising defenders and causing them all sorts of trouble. The whole team is built around Ronaldo to score goals he has a free reign doesn't need to track back and gets quality service for his goals.

Messi is having to create his own goals for Barca since their midfield is not what it used to be. He has to drop deep to pick up the ball and start attacks.

Ronaldo doesn't need to do any of that he gets in good positions to score and when given a chance he will take it. I just dont like his style of play.

Robben is one of my favourite players and i love the way he plays, up and down the wing attacking or defending he will run for 90 minutes he is a joy to watch.

I also dont agree with Ronaldo being killer at set pieces, he is a good penalty takes but he has really been poor at free kicks in the last couple of seasons. I would love to see his conversion rate it must be a lot lower than some of the other free kick takers around.
 
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That's all well and good, but I have no idea what player you just described because it sure as heck isn't Ronaldo in the slightest. Doesn't run about much, doesn't create chances, is a pure poacher, not good at set pieces. Seriously, have you watched Ronaldo 3 times in the past 5 years and it was all while he had a hamstring injury he was playing through... even then he runs about and is far more effective than you're suggesting.

You also don't seem to have a clue about Messi, he isn't dropping deep because he can't get the ball, he's starting deeper because the manager is playing him wide right much more often because.... that's his best position. He's been massively improved since dropping deeper and it's pretty much because he's best when running at a defence. He looks happier and he's playing better since being moved into that position again which is also where he played when Barca were last at their dominating best. He may score more centrally and higher up personally but Barca have been far less convincing and worse in the CL since the team focused on making chances for Messi. SInce he's moved back they've looked stronger than they have in ages(though still not that strong against great opposition).

As for set pieces, to begin with I said set pieces, not free kicks and certainly not only free kicks which Ronaldo takes. There are NO high conversion free kick takers in the game, none, most are not scored. I said set pieces because apart from being awesome at free kicks he takes and he still absolutely is, he is one of if not the single best players in the air at set pieces, offensive and defensive set pieces. He out jumps and out muscles huge defenders at both types of set pieces routinely and he's one of the fastest reacting players to loose balls. he absolutely does dominate set pieces.

ultimate poacher... scoring double what everyone else scores, half are simple ONLY because his movement is both brilliant and constant, but half are brilliant... makes him a poacher who doesn't move about much. Sorry but there is not believing Ronaldo is that good and there is literally describing someone that is not Ronaldo at all.
 
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