Soldato
wow, it really looks like you have aa on in those.
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My Test of GRAW running with and without physX
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physx cards dont actually do real physics calculations, they just add debris etc into the game to make it 'appear more realistic' however i do not think that it makes the game more realistic to have random stuff flying round the place when something explodes or collapses.
It seems that quad sli and these cards go together, too much rendering power and xtreme levels of eye candy is what these muti gpu and physx's card solutions are designed for (along with non cpu limited res').
just my veiw on the situation, you need to shell out for for eye candy rendering speeds these days, the raw speed of the cards are fast enough.
It seems that quad sli and these cards go together, too much rendering power and xtreme levels of eye candy is what these muti gpu and physx's card solutions are designed for (along with non cpu limited res').
just my veiw on the situation, you need to shell out for for eye candy rendering speeds these days, the raw speed of the cards are fast enough.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. The PhysX card is perfectly capable of calculating real physics - it's just that the 1st generation of games to use it seem to have gone down the route of "let's add a load of debris an offload it to the PPU" rather than utilising it properly.lay-z-boy said:
It's to be expected really, they need to get to grips with it. I do agree that the current "debris" situation is pretty bad with all those bits appearing out of nowhere, flying about and then vanishing once they have settled
Caporegime
Thats criminal. 
Ripoff of the century, and they will still sell in droves.
Ripoff of the century, and they will still sell in droves.
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LoadsaMoney said:Thats criminal.
Indeed!
I will wait for the second or third generation of PPU to come out, as well as HavocFX implemented with graphics cards, before I even consider purchasing a PPU. At least by then, we can have a good idea if a purchase of a PPU is really worth it. At the moment - it doesn't look like it.
Caporegime
They can do what they like really as they know ppl are going to buy em regardless, G80/R600 are gona sell in absolute droves when they appear, and all they are good for is Vista, and the 1x game by Crysis, is that gona stop ppl shelling out, hell no, so ppl will have splashed out £500+ for an operating system, and 1x single game, then when more games appear they will have to splash out yet another £500+ for the latest card to run em, as by that time G80/R600 will be old hat and not run em as well, will ppl ever learn, nope, and these manufactures know it to well, they are playing ppl like fiddles.
Its £220+ for the 128mb PPU card, the 256mb one aint even appeared yet, roll on another ridiculous price, and the manufacturers sitting there rubbing their hands together at the prospect off all that cash rolling in to em.
Its £220+ for the 128mb PPU card, the 256mb one aint even appeared yet, roll on another ridiculous price, and the manufacturers sitting there rubbing their hands together at the prospect off all that cash rolling in to em.
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Ain't that the truth.LoadsaMoney said:They can do what they like really as they know ppl are going to buy em regardless, G80/R600 are gona sell in absolute droves when they appear, and all they are good for is Vista, and the 1x game by Crysis, is that gona stop ppl shelling out, hell no, so ppl will have splashed out £500+ for an operating system, and 1x single game, then when more games appear they will have to splash out yet another £500+ for the latest card to run em, as by that time G80/R600 will be old hat and not run em as well, will ppl ever learn, nope, and these manufactures know it to well, they are playing ppl like fiddles.
Its £220+ for the 128mb PPU card, the 256mb one aint even appeared yet, roll on another ridiculous price, and the manufacturers sitting there rubbing their hands together at the prospect off all that cash rolling in to em.
Unfortunately - there are a lot of mugs out there who will believe anything they read, and if it has a flashy name with an "X" in it - they'll bust out the credit card no questions asked.
It's kinda funny that no one actually thought that all the extra physics that these cards could do would result in the graphics card having to draw more graphics. Why that's just crazy thinking!
Soldato
Durzel said:
Bahahaha
I didn't even think about that until our friend here showed us the results of his testing. I guess part of the theory is that if the PPU is taking processing away from the GPU then it should free up more processor time for pretty stuff...I guess the implimentation is 'not quite polished'
Durzel said:
Amazing how big the "X" trend has become since the graphics cards started to use them in their names. Even more amazing are the people that are shelling out lots of cash for the goods. - (ironically im one of them
although I purchased it at the time as cheap graphics card rather than the "X" factor playing a part in the buying process)Durzel said:
Hehe, I didn't expect it to be as much as we saw with lowriders config. But I suppose the communication overhead is what really is limiting the performance..which is why a SLi or Quad SLi setup will really work well with the card...pending on what exactly is being done... Although don't get me wrong I really think the idea of a standalone PPU stinks, and the requirements just to use it are just plain stupid. Roll on HavocFX!!
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FrankJH said:
I'm sorry but those 2 games you've listed as demonstrating what the PC is capable of I don't agree with.
Both bring high end systems to their knees! If developers spent more time on optimising they could get it running suberbly on lower, more main stream hardware with nice eye candy and even more breathtaking on higher end systems.
Its so easy for the developers to not optimise the engine and game safe in the knowledge that there are people out there with ninja PC's able to play it. Never mind us folk who can't afford to spend money on an X1900XT and £200 PPU.
Caporegime
Id say Konami are some of the worst offenders, look at the PES series, go to the options to configure your controller, and its a pic of a PS2 pad, yes i know you can use the PS2 pad on the PC, but thats just damn right lazy, least have other options, just don't convert the game across and just make the graphics a bit better, the PS2 crowd would'nt stand for it if they started porting games over to em from the PC, and when they went to configure their controls a picture of a Keyboard and mouse appeared, can you imagine it "wtf im sitting here on me PS2 with a joypad, and its saying to move press W,S,A,D etc..., its gona take me a week to configure em to me pad". 
nbkpsycho said:Thought this game was gonna be really good aswell
Don't get me wrong, I'm really enjoying the demo and the game in it's own right is really good, but......................., paying £200 smackers for a few extra little blocks is a little disheartening, and I really don't understand how those little extra blocks cain the extra fps, it's not really a lot extra to render ?, oh well, it's UT2007 that will the decide the fate of the physX card tbh.
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so far Epic have only said that the vehicles will use the PhysX engine. Also those latest cam vids of the game dont show any interactive environments - just like how UT 2k4 islowrider007 said:
Soldato
lowrider007 said:
With all respect, I don't think a single person on this board would have encouraged you to buy that card. It's clear that the technology is immature and currently a waste of time. That's the way it's always been. When 32bit colour 3D cards first came out (the TNT range I believe) they were a waste of time as well - most people ran them in 16bit because the performance hit was so large. Then the first Hardware T&L cards came out and were also largely a waste of time because no games made use of them to start with. PPU's will be used one day (integrated onto the main card I would imagine) but it was always clear that now wasn't the time to be blowing 200 quid on one.
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Soldato
from those screenshots the physics done with the card look crap anyway, just afew extra cubes flying around
as for the fps dip it is only a demo so maybe it isnt full optimized for it yet
as for the fps dip it is only a demo so maybe it isnt full optimized for it yet
Killajaz said:Blatant con from the developers and manufacturers. I said it before and I say it again: If the game developers wheren't so lazy and coded the games properly you would still be fine with an ancient card like Geforce 2 GTS or similar.
They are conning us. Get used to it. DONT BUY THE latest high end cards. IT IS A CON
i agree with you.