National insurance cut
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Soldato
Sorry no comment
Due you really think it would do any good?
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Soldato
Can I remind everyone that on 7 September 2021, Then PM BJ announced the introduction of a Health and Social Care Tax.
By increasing NI by 1.25% (13.25% total) rom 6 April 2022 and for a separate tax to start in April 2023 to tax people a futher 1.25% to address the funding crisis in the sector.
This broke the tory manifesto of not raising taxes, but BJ insists that it was required. "we cannot shirk the challenge of putting the NHS back on its feet"
manifesto: https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/economy
back bench anger: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-tory-anger-over-manifesto-breaking-tax-rise
Then backbencher Hunt said "social care does not actually get as much money as it needs."
7 months later; November 2022, This was reversed by Kami Kwarteng stating, "Taxing our way to prosperity has never worked"
in November 2023, now Chancellor Hunt in the "Autumn Statement for growth" announced a 2p cut to NI in January 2024.
The uk entered a recession late 2023 before the NI cuts took place.
Now two days ago, during the spring budget, Chancellor Hunt cuts NI by 2% again...
So in the space of less than 2 and a half years... the same party that was predicting gloom and doom for the future of our health service unless we start to pay an extra 3%+ now thinks that we can pay 4% less and it will be fine.
Please tick all that applies...
[ ] they have found a magic money tree
[ ] they make **** up as they go along
[ ] they don't care about the billions of people that need the NHS nor the future of social care
[ ] it's an election year
[ ] they are salting the battlefield before losing the war.
[ ] other, please explain:
By increasing NI by 1.25% (13.25% total) rom 6 April 2022 and for a separate tax to start in April 2023 to tax people a futher 1.25% to address the funding crisis in the sector.
This broke the tory manifesto of not raising taxes, but BJ insists that it was required. "we cannot shirk the challenge of putting the NHS back on its feet"
manifesto: https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/economy
back bench anger: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-tory-anger-over-manifesto-breaking-tax-rise
Then backbencher Hunt said "social care does not actually get as much money as it needs."
Social care won't get money it needs, warns Jeremy Hunt
The Conservative former health secretary tells MPs there is a risk the NHS will "gobble up" all the funds.
www.bbc.co.uk
7 months later; November 2022, This was reversed by Kami Kwarteng stating, "Taxing our way to prosperity has never worked"
National Insurance rise to be reversed in November
The 1.25% rise will be reversed from 6 November and a levy to fund health and social care will be axed.
www.bbc.co.uk
in November 2023, now Chancellor Hunt in the "Autumn Statement for growth" announced a 2p cut to NI in January 2024.
The uk entered a recession late 2023 before the NI cuts took place.
What is a recession and how could it affect me?
A recession means the UK economy has shrunk for two three-month periods - or quarters - in a row.
www.bbc.co.uk
Now two days ago, during the spring budget, Chancellor Hunt cuts NI by 2% again...
Budget 2024: Jeremy Hunt cuts National Insurance again as election looms
But Labour says many people will still be worse off because of existing freezes to income tax bands.
www.bbc.co.uk
So in the space of less than 2 and a half years... the same party that was predicting gloom and doom for the future of our health service unless we start to pay an extra 3%+ now thinks that we can pay 4% less and it will be fine.
Please tick all that applies...
[ ] they have found a magic money tree
[ ] they make **** up as they go along
[ ] they don't care about the billions of people that need the NHS nor the future of social care
[ ] it's an election year
[ ] they are salting the battlefield before losing the war.
[ ] other, please explain:
Ok, I'll go with the simple tick box way of doing it.Can I remind everyone that on 7 September 2021, Then PM BJ announced the introduction of a Health and Social Care Tax.
By increasing NI by 1.25% (13.25% total) rom 6 April 2022 and for a separate tax to start in April 2023 to tax people a futher 1.25% to address the funding crisis in the sector.
This broke the tory manifesto of not raising taxes, but BJ insists that it was required. "we cannot shirk the challenge of putting the NHS back on its feet"
manifesto: https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/economy
back bench anger: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-tory-anger-over-manifesto-breaking-tax-rise
Then backbencher Hunt said "social care does not actually get as much money as it needs."
Social care won't get money it needs, warns Jeremy Hunt
The Conservative former health secretary tells MPs there is a risk the NHS will "gobble up" all the funds.www.bbc.co.uk
7 months later; November 2022, This was reversed by Kami Kwarteng stating, "Taxing our way to prosperity has never worked"
National Insurance rise to be reversed in November
The 1.25% rise will be reversed from 6 November and a levy to fund health and social care will be axed.www.bbc.co.uk
in November 2023, now Chancellor Hunt in the "Autumn Statement for growth" announced a 2p cut to NI in January 2024.
The uk entered a recession late 2023 before the NI cuts took place.
What is a recession and how could it affect me?
A recession means the UK economy has shrunk for two three-month periods - or quarters - in a row.www.bbc.co.uk
Now two days ago, during the spring budget, Chancellor Hunt cuts NI by 2% again...
Budget 2024: Jeremy Hunt cuts National Insurance again as election looms
But Labour says many people will still be worse off because of existing freezes to income tax bands.www.bbc.co.uk
So in the space of less than 2 and a half years... the same party that was predicting gloom and doom for the future of our health service unless we start to pay an extra 3%+ now thinks that we can pay 4% less and it will be fine.
Please tick all that applies...
[ ] they have found a magic money tree
[ ] they make **** up as they go along
[ ] they don't care about the billions of people that need the NHS nor the future of social care
[ ] it's an election year
[ ] they are salting the battlefield before losing the war.
[ ] other, please explain:
Be it on your own head though.
I would tick..............
Soldato
They should never have put it up in the first place it was a dumb thing to do then, and the right thing to do to reverse that and now cut it further.
Think about it Dan
Soldato
I have thanks. I was against the new health and social care tax rise in 2021.
Remember the other forum ?
Soldato
Sorry you've lost me.
Rigged replies you have to tick the box to all the questions, would be my take on it
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Soldato
How would you fund the black hole in health and social care?
Soldato
If you look at what you have asked us to do and the current feeling of the country I would answer by ticking every single box and I would assume most here would
Soldato
1. Growth
2. If no growth then we have to live within means, and that means no improvement in services
Soldato
So the 5th largest economy in the world can’t afford half decent public services wow the world is screwed!
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They will push up the pension age with this NI rate reduction.
The glaringly obvious bit you are missing with your simplistic view is of course Govts can't control what external problems occur, but it's 100% in their control how they react to the problem.
That's what you judge them on.
Soldato
Interesting how you suggest growth yet have no faith in the country’s economic growth, or at least not enough faith to invest in it with your pension.
Does this mean you believe that the NHS is destined to deteriorate to nothing? As the financial requirement of the NHS is already out pacing the growth of this country.