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1. Growth
2. If no growth then we have to live within means, and that means no improvement in services
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1. Growth
2. If no growth then we have to live within means, and that means no improvement in services
So the 5th largest economy in the world can’t afford half decent public services wow the world is screwed!
The glaringly obvious bit you are missing with your simplistic view is of course Govts can't control what external problems occur, but it's 100% in their control how they react to the problem.
That's what you judge them on.
Interesting how you suggest growth yet have no faith in the country’s economic growth, or at least not enough faith to invest in it with your pension.
Does this mean you believe that the NHS is destined to deteriorate to nothing? As the financial requirement of the NHS is already out pacing the growth of this country.
Totally agree in reality it is hardest on those in the middle, the really rich (like our chancellor) can structure there assets etc to avoid as much inheritance tax as possible where those in the middle who don’t have either enough money or enough knowledge to game the system get nailed. Inheritance tax certainly isn’t a tax on the poor unless your definition of poor is massively off!
Can I remind everyone that on 7 September 2021, Then PM BJ announced the introduction of a Health and Social Care Tax.
By increasing NI by 1.25% (13.25% total) rom 6 April 2022 and for a separate tax to start in April 2023 to tax people a futher 1.25% to address the funding crisis in the sector.
This broke the tory manifesto of not raising taxes, but BJ insists that it was required. "we cannot shirk the challenge of putting the NHS back on its feet"
manifesto: https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan/economy
back bench anger: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-tory-anger-over-manifesto-breaking-tax-rise
Then backbencher Hunt said "social care does not actually get as much money as it needs."
Social care won't get money it needs, warns Jeremy Hunt
The Conservative former health secretary tells MPs there is a risk the NHS will "gobble up" all the funds.www.bbc.co.uk
7 months later; November 2022, This was reversed by Kami Kwarteng stating, "Taxing our way to prosperity has never worked"
National Insurance rise to be reversed in November
The 1.25% rise will be reversed from 6 November and a levy to fund health and social care will be axed.www.bbc.co.uk
in November 2023, now Chancellor Hunt in the "Autumn Statement for growth" announced a 2p cut to NI in January 2024.
The uk entered a recession late 2023 before the NI cuts took place.
What is a recession and how could one affect me?
A recession means the UK economy has shrunk for two three-month periods - or quarters - in a row.www.bbc.co.uk
Now two days ago, during the spring budget, Chancellor Hunt cuts NI by 2% again...
Budget 2024: Jeremy Hunt cuts National Insurance again as election looms
But Labour says many people will still be worse off because of existing freezes to income tax bands.www.bbc.co.uk
So in the space of less than 2 and a half years... the same party that was predicting gloom and doom for the future of our health service unless we start to pay an extra 3%+ now thinks that we can pay 4% less and it will be fine.
Please tick all that applies...
[ ] they have found a magic money tree
[ ] they make **** up as they go along
[ ] they don't care about the billions of people that need the NHS nor the future of social care
[ ] it's an election year
[ ] they are salting the battlefield before losing the war.
[ ] other, please explain:
I'm sure I read something a couple of days ago about Aviva announcing massive profits as more and more people are taking up private healthcare. It's like the public have given up on the NHS too.
I watched an episode of ambulance last night (new season) and a caller phoned in for an ambulance to be told there was currently a 9 hour wait!!!
Excluding the fact that if you can genuinely wait 9 hours for an ambulance you clearly don't need emergency medical assistance, but it just emphasises the pressure that the ambulance service is under.
Which actually boils down to ‘they spend more on healthcare per person than we do’. The UAE who have the best healthcare in the region rely on a mixture of taxation and compulsory insurance and provide universal healthcare. The funding method might be different but the critical difference is expenditure and it is the same in basically every country in the world with better healthcare than the UK contrary to our government continual snipping by international standards the NHS delivers decent value for money and is significantly underfunded.
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We are nudging our way to higher taxes and declining public services. We have an ageing population and it's political suicide to put taxes up, so here we are.
Hunt's NIC cut is essentially unfunded, Labour will have to find the money from some where when they come into power.
Hunt's NIC cut is essentially unfunded, Labour will have to find the money from some where when they come into power.
Of course the government is ultimately responsible, as you put it, in the long term but they can't react to external factors as quickly as say the stock exchange which can react within minutes.
Yes the will get judged on their performance we all know that but as has been mentioned several times its more complicated than just this or that as an explanation
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We're 6th highest total gdp but 21st gdp per capita.
According to this data we're 14th highest on health spending per capita. So it seems to me that our health spending isn't out of whack with our overall wealth as a country. We have similar spending to France and Canada and more than Denmark, Austria, Netherlands, Australia.
I'm doing what everyone else is doing (align to global index) and what the pension experts recommend. It's not the fault of UK individuals that growth is poor it's because our country is crap compared to say the US.
According to this data, China and India have the highest GDP per capita growth rates over the last 10 years.
List of countries by GDP (real) per capita growth rate - Wikipedia
We are way down the list alongside other developed countries.
Agreed, but did the person actually survive the 9 hour wait?
I think the whole 9 hour wait thing is just the abulance services way of saying you don't really need an ambulance - it doesnt logically make sense that they can possibly know the next 9 hours of emergencies..
Never really understood the people that will wait rather than get a lift or a taxi - unless you literally cant move or are spraying blood everywhere seems crazy to wait. Although i suppose you dont then have to wait in the queue at A&E to be seen..
They don't know from one minute to the next what jobs are coming in obviously, jobs are prioritised on need not time. So they will go to a cardiac arrest first, then down the list in order of priority. If you have had a gall and you are in no danger you will be classed as none urgent. Then put onto of that the number of calls that come in on a single shift. You could have no priority calls and loads of quick turnaround ones or the complete opposite of a major RTC combined with 20 cardiac arrests. Now put in this the hospital where they have to wait to hand over you get the 9hr waits(yes sometimes the system will break and sometimes a person gets missed).
Yes, money should be going up in the NHS and other departments, but there is no qualified people to actually make good decisions, that's how our democracy works.
Of course they will have, they're human.
It's the I look after me and mine mentally.
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While partly that, it's also staff who have been doing the job for X years who will have a decent idea of average demand, wait times etc. on certain days/times and be able to give an educated estimate based on the current situation and the caller's priority.
Unfortunately there simply aren't enough ambulances, and people are dying because of it.
Or in some cases wasting the ambulance services time(this also applies to the police and fireservice).
Yes, that certainly doesn't help!
The son has said about regulars, but even though they know it's from a time waster they still have to attend
i think most of us working at the frontlines will have experiences about the ones with frequent flyer platinum miles