I don't think some people are talking legal immigrants here, who I have no quibble with.
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That’s where the £1.8 billion figure is coming from. It’s mostly legal visitors and immigrants.
I don't think this is the issue some are talking about, it's about those who are using our system but we don't get the money spent out back
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If they are legal and insured, then the NHS can claim the costs of thier health care/treatment back from the insurance company. Wheather that happens or not is anyones guess.
Also if they are here legally, and working, they will be paying tax and therefore able to have access to the NHS.
Likewise with the ECHC/GHIC... If i need hospital treatment in spain when on holliday, it's 'free' to me, but the Spanish health care system will 'back charge the NHS' as I'm already covered under NHS as a UK citizen.
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It's not necessarily free, it entitles you to the same level of care as citizens of that country - in the UK and many other countries that does mean free, but there are some places you still might need to pay a small amount.
That's a bit iffy, it can vary a lot depending on the country, if they also have a free at the point of use public system (IIRC some Scandi countries do) then that may be the case but lots of countries operate insurance models with a mix of public and private insurance schemes (and indeed public and private hospitals).
So UK, free at the point of use, paid for via taxation/national insurance etc. people form overseas in that scheme can be treated like a resident i.e. visit and also get free treatment.
But UK person goes overseas to a country where they've ring-fenced their funding via insurance models, great.. you too can be treated like a resident... which means you need some insurance, which they all have via their employer or via a public scheme if on low income.
I guess while we get a bit of a raw deal as individuals it maybe works out well for the government/budget as perhaps means less for the UK to pay out on our behalf for overseas medical treatment as our insurance companies pay... on the other hand not clear how good the NHS is at billing foreigners/foreign governments.
I'm thinking along the lines of Red Dwarf but shorter
Exactly, so most of that 1.8bn is or can be recovered
What should the cut off be? 80? 85?Euthanise the elderly, simple
What ! give people 20 years retirement ? NOOOOO max of 65 is more like it .......
I'm 65 this year
I know, I miss out on my pension
Unless it's that I will miss out on listening to the wife and not getting a word in
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All the ones coming over on little boats paying this money towards the NHS?
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Try it in Spain and a lot of Hospitals won't take it.
Only around 7% of migrants to this country are asylum seekers. The rest are legal migrants paying both this upfront charge and regular taxes or they come from countries with reciprocal arrangements for UK nationals.
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But but but ...... Rishi told me there is an invasion on our beaches ........ that the boats are the biggest single issue and challenge facing our country .......... you mean I've been sucked in by our government once again using the 'othering' of a group of people to distract from their own incompetence and corruption ........ surely I couldn't be so stupid......
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You could have just answered with a no.
Potholes are becoming a literal epidemic round our way. They are left for months and even years sometimes, until you could just about fit a small child in one. Then they'll come and draw a line around it, and it'll sit like that for another few months, before being hastily patched up.
Then the edges of the repair, where old, crumbling tarmac meets the hastily laid fresh stuff, disintegrates. You're left with a sort of stepping stone of tarmac surrounded by a larger hole.
Recent article showing things *are* getting worse, and we're not all imagining it..
UK potholes and road defects have led to surge in callouts
AA and RAC report highest figures for at least five years and criticise lack of permanent repairs
www.theguardian.com
I said earlier the local council are blitzing the potholes in the town just because it's the end of the financial year. Yet I've had to report again a drain which is blocked and all they do is drain it out and go there it's fixed, they will not listen to us that there's something actually blocking it and it's not sediment.Potholes are becoming a literal epidemic round our way. They are left for months and even years sometimes, until you could just about fit a small child in one. Then they'll come and draw a line around it, and it'll sit like that for another few months, before being hastily patched up.
Then the edges of the repair, where old, crumbling tarmac meets the hastily laid fresh stuff, disintegrates. You're left with a sort of stepping stone of tarmac surrounded by a larger hole.
Recent article showing things *are* getting worse, and we're not all imagining it..
UK potholes and road defects have led to surge in callouts
AA and RAC report highest figures for at least five years and criticise lack of permanent repairs