National insurance cut

You could have just answered with a no.

Except that would also be false. When the government eventually gets round to processing these asylum seekers and, as usual, the majority are found to be genuine refugees then they are able to find work and start contributing to the NHS like everyone else.

The length of time they're not contributing, and the amount wasted during that time, is down to Tory incompetence in running the assessment service.
 
The length of time they're not contributing, and the amount wasted during that time, is down to Civil Service incompetence in running the assessment service.

FTFY. Ministers can only be blamed for so much. At the end of the day, it’s the people that are supposed do the actual work and implement policies that need to take responsibility for the lack of action. There have been immigration issues for decades across all colours of government.
 
FTFY. Ministers can only be blamed for so much. At the end of the day, it’s the people that are supposed do the actual work and implement policies that need to take responsibility for the lack of action. There have been immigration issues for decades across all colours of government.

Civil Servants can't do anything against Tory cuts and incompetence. And while you might legitimately claim the service had issues under New Labour it's an easily verified fact that things have got far worse under fourteen years of Tory-led incompetence.
 
Some tax cuts on the upper bands would be nice too, but isn't gonna happen.

Certainly not when the lower bands are still struggling with the CoL to a, in general, greater extent to people on the upper bands.

TBH though a cut in NI still gives the higher paid more in their pocket than the lower paid so not sure why the higher paid would deserve an extra cut in taxes.... Yeah, fiscal drag is an issue but the lowest paid actually ended up worse off due to it as well

I realise the above won't be popular, especially in here, given that the vast majority on here appear to be on much higher incomes than the UK median.
 
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Certainly not when the lower bands are still struggling with the CoL to a, in general, greater extent to people on the upper bands.

TBH though a cut in NI still gives the higher paid more in their pocket than the lower paid so not sure why the higher paid would deserve an extra cut in taxes.... Yeah, fiscal drag is an issue but the lowest paid actually ended up worse off due to it as well

I realise the above won't be popular, especially in here, given that the vast majority on here appear to be on much higher incomes than the UK median.

Precisely because of fiscal drag, and all the so-called tax traps of the higher income earners in this country which are quite excessive and actually unique by international standards. Would be better if they get rid of the tax traps instead of cuts but either way, some action on these would be nice.
 
Precisely because of fiscal drag, and all the so-called tax traps of the higher income earners in this country which are quite excessive and actually unique by international standards.


A quick look at a couple of articles (on my phone so I'll happily be corrected) indicates that Fiscal drag has as much an effect on lower incomes as it does in higher incomes so the fiscal drag argument is an issue but it's not isolated to higher incomes

Would be better if they get rid of the tax traps instead of cuts but either way, some action on these would be nice.

Sure, but can we ensure the lower income households are able to afford food, shelter and heating before we look at giving tax breaks to the better off?
 
A quick look at a couple of articles (on my phone so I'll happily be corrected) indicates that Fiscal drag has as much an effect on lower incomes as it does in higher incomes so the fiscal drag argument is an issue but it's not isolated to higher incomes

Fiscal drag (vs NI cuts) works differently for different levels of income.

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Those earning under 25k or above 60k are worse off, those earning in between are better off. None of this nonsense is fair, productive or reasonable. We need a simplified yet progressive tax system with no traps, fiscal drags, tapers, clifs or hidden marginal rates going upwards of 80% and then down to 47%.

Sure, but can we ensure the lower income households are able to afford food, shelter and heating before we look at giving tax breaks to the better off?

They're not mutually exclusive. Tax traps cause people to sacrifice money into their pensions, reduce their hours (common in the NHS), retire early or seek other ways to reduce their tax burden. There's no study whatsoever that suggests these tax traps actually raise net revenue for the government.

I completely agree we need to help lower wealth households (rather than income, as it's often misleading). All these rather UK-only tax traps on higher earners don't achieve this. If these policies were successful we wouldn't be in such a mess (and other countries would have copied them).
 
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Fiscal drag (vs NI cuts) works differently for different levels of income.

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Those earning under 25k or above 60k are worse off, those earning in between are better off. None of this nonsense is fair, productive or reasonable.

I agree however, as per your chart, it's the lowest income in society that has been hit even harder than the above 60k by fiscal drag so my empathy is, likewise, leaning more towards the lower income than the higher earners.

Income is, of course, relative but I'd wager that the people on 60k+ are not, generally, in the same kind of financial difficulty as the under £25k people especially after the fiscal drag.
 
Because the last 14 years has been such a triumphant success under Tory Leadership, right? :cry: :cry:

There's always someone to shout "But Labour!"
The Tories haven't done a great job agreed but some don't see Labour being any better really. No great mystery in that.
 
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