Soldato
Labour can GTFO. This is ridiculous. 
National speed limit to be cut to 50mph on "most roads" as early as 2010
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So, when all these cameras are eventually up watching over us, can anyone see us heading to the national road pricing scheme that they (Labour) wanted to bring in a couple of years ago?
I mean, they will say that the infrastructure is already there as all the cameras were installed for another purpose.
It's a pretty pathetic attempt by the government to track motorists.
If they sorted out the transport system so that it is actually usable by most of the population instead of the population of major cities alone, then people wouldn't be forced to drive everywhere.
I mean, they will say that the infrastructure is already there as all the cameras were installed for another purpose.
It's a pretty pathetic attempt by the government to track motorists.
If they sorted out the transport system so that it is actually usable by most of the population instead of the population of major cities alone, then people wouldn't be forced to drive everywhere.
Did you not make it to the NSL part? Everyone carries on going at 40-45 really bunched up and causes people desperate to overtake pulling out dangerously into a space that isn't really big enough for them to accelerate into.
If the same happens on single carriage way roads then people will be overtaking while there is a oncoming car. nice 100MPH combined crash there caused in the name of road safety.
Does not surprise me. I also don't think they realise the racing will (and has mostly already, anyway) just move elsewhere. It's not like it was ever obeying the speed limits.
Labours answer? We need labour out? Although there are lots of reasons I agree speed cameras isn't one of them. I seem to remember speed cameras cropping up all over cambridge and the country under a different government to labour.
It won't change with a change in government either, they will keep on going up. Will the tories take them down again you think?
I'd rather they had cameras to monitor peoples driving standards rather than speed. Most of the 60's I use on the way to work move along at about 50-55 anyway.
Either that or just fit a reporting device they uploads any crime like in the demolition man.
Soldato
I can only guess they're hoping this will yield a minuscule increase in road capacity. But then I wouldn't be surprised if road traffic goes down over the next few years. Less people going to work, less people spending, less shops receiving fewer deliveries, less tax revenue, less subsidies for public transport, less buses.
Soldato
Hmm as well as that they are gonna have to put up with 20% VAT as well. Somehow I dont think that is going to happen. Labour have plotted out a big advertising budget for March/April this year. Fingers crossed we might be having it very soon.
They've had a speed limit review for a couple of years now, that’s why loads of NSL's are going down to 50 and I can see them wiping NSL's out completely as they no longer seem to trust a driver to judge his/her own speed for a particular road.
If anything though I can see this making some NSL's more dangerous. If I come up to a twisty country road with a NSL sign, I don't see that as do 60 but more as this road hasn't been assessed for a speed limit so watch out. If all these roads now have 50 signs I can see a lot of people just doing 50 without actually assessing the road for themselves.
If anything though I can see this making some NSL's more dangerous. If I come up to a twisty country road with a NSL sign, I don't see that as do 60 but more as this road hasn't been assessed for a speed limit so watch out. If all these roads now have 50 signs I can see a lot of people just doing 50 without actually assessing the road for themselves.
That's nothing. When our towns bypass opened 2 years ago, someone wrote into the local paper saying how they want the speed limit on it reduced to 30 to give drivers more time to admire the countryside. I swear people send tripe into the papers because they get some kick out of seeing their letters printed.
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I agree totally. I perceive NSL as "expect the unexpected", but 50 as 50, as that's the case on 99% of roads.
Exactly.
It's an utterly ill-advised, ill-thought out waste of tax-payers money that will do absolutely nothing to improve road safety.
And the carbon BS? Just
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I dont agree with the proposals at all, but I'd like to put a slightly different slant on things, there are a hideous amount of cars on the road, pretty much every main arterie in this country, during rush hour, is gridlocked.
I dont agree that most drivers are good drivers, most are infact atrocious, we on this forum are enthusiasts, we know a thing or two about cars. Unfortunately we are very much in the minority
The amount of complete muppets in and around the NSL roads is scary, they drive at 40mph, they pull out of junctions, without even looking, Im not surprised they are looking to drop the limits.
And yes, it is a CO2 thing, they set some seriously unattainable targets, and now are forcing some panic measure through, my company has also decided that cars are the Enemy, and are seriously going green, which is laughable, as our sector head is German, who essentially commutes from Frankfurt
I dont agree that most drivers are good drivers, most are infact atrocious, we on this forum are enthusiasts, we know a thing or two about cars. Unfortunately we are very much in the minority
The amount of complete muppets in and around the NSL roads is scary, they drive at 40mph, they pull out of junctions, without even looking, Im not surprised they are looking to drop the limits.
And yes, it is a CO2 thing, they set some seriously unattainable targets, and now are forcing some panic measure through, my company has also decided that cars are the Enemy, and are seriously going green, which is laughable, as our sector head is German, who essentially commutes from Frankfurt
True, thats the only reason I can see that they changed my route to 50. None of the corners are suitable for 60 safely in the dry for most normal cars. 50 is fine for a lot of the corners in the dry, drop to 40 for wet, but the road is definitely twisty.
This is all said with the fact that in one of the fields sits a Saxo for the last few weeks, which has obviously tried to take a 40mph left hander too fast and skidded straight on...
I would like to say people are smart enough to evaluate the road or take it easier if they dont know it, but thats just asking too much. Everyone who can do it is going to be punished for the twerps out there. This is the way of any government.
This is all said with the fact that in one of the fields sits a Saxo for the last few weeks, which has obviously tried to take a 40mph left hander too fast and skidded straight on...
I would like to say people are smart enough to evaluate the road or take it easier if they dont know it, but thats just asking too much. Everyone who can do it is going to be punished for the twerps out there. This is the way of any government.
I take it you are totally unaware of how ANPR works now? You talk about the future - unfortunately it has been here for some years.....
Getting back on track, I will agree that on some rural roads where the road is only the width of one vehicle, then it makes sense to drop the speed limit from 60 to 50. It has happened to us all, we've all been driving along some spectacular road in the middle of nowhere and someone has come round the corner at the same speed and we have both anchored up. Taking 10mph off the speed will probably stop some of these accidents.
Now if the Government REALLY wanted to reduce Road Deaths then I would sugges the following
1) 20MPH limit on any Road bounding a School.
2) Cyclists. Make it compulsory for them to wear an approved helmet and yellow flourescent Bib. Also tell the Police to prosecute anyone over the age of 17 for not having lights on at night (fixed penalty ticket - after all Motorists would get done). Oh also make it a specific offence to use their mobile phone whilst moving.
3) Ensure all Pedestian Crossings have sections of Crash barriers 10 meters either side of the crossing . I have lost count how many idiot pedestrians think they can just diagonally walk out into the road abot 10 feet from the crossing thinking cars will stop for them.
I would imagine these would make a significant dent in the number of people killed each year on the road.
A vast majority of those 3000 people killed were either travelling significantly slower than 60 MPH or were in no way able to control the speed of the car they were travelling in.
Eh what is he on about?
Well in the first case they were pedestrians and in the second case they were passengers in a vehicle.
You see this is the smoke and mirrors part of the trick. You see we all know that unless the car is doing less than 30 Mph, when you hit a pedestrian with one, there is a large chance they will be killed.
Pedestrians by and large are mostly found in Towns and other built up areas. When you get into the Countryside they're a bit thinner on the ground. So it really would make more sense to drop speed limits to 20Mph in Towns rather than from 60 Mph to 50 Mph in the Countryside.
If they did this then the reduction in Pedestrian fatalities would be massive.
Getting onto the case where Passengers are killed in cars. This is an education issue. Many passengers are killed not because the car was going over the speed limit, but because they were not wearing their seat belt. Some are killed because the car is overloaded. Some get into cars knowing full well that the driver is either drunk or high as a kite on drugs.
We pussyfoot around in this Country. Our adverts and Road safety education err on the side of 'lets not upset them', In other Countries they are much more graphic. Ireland has a particularly effective set of adverts aimed at young people (look on Youtube. edit I will try to post some of them if I can find them later).
Whilst speed is a major factor in road deaths it isn't the be all and end all.
Defective vehicle parts
Drink
Drugs
Defective Road (Camber and road surface)
Visibility (of Pedestrian or Cyclist)
All play a part in the increasing carnage on our roads. The problem is the Government as always go after the Motorist. There are a myriad of different ways to reduce Road deaths (after all we all want road deaths to be reduced), but this is the easiest and the cynical would also say the one that brings in the most revenue.
Eh what is he on about?
Well in the first case they were pedestrians and in the second case they were passengers in a vehicle.
You see this is the smoke and mirrors part of the trick. You see we all know that unless the car is doing less than 30 Mph, when you hit a pedestrian with one, there is a large chance they will be killed.
Pedestrians by and large are mostly found in Towns and other built up areas. When you get into the Countryside they're a bit thinner on the ground. So it really would make more sense to drop speed limits to 20Mph in Towns rather than from 60 Mph to 50 Mph in the Countryside.
If they did this then the reduction in Pedestrian fatalities would be massive.
Getting onto the case where Passengers are killed in cars. This is an education issue. Many passengers are killed not because the car was going over the speed limit, but because they were not wearing their seat belt. Some are killed because the car is overloaded. Some get into cars knowing full well that the driver is either drunk or high as a kite on drugs.
We pussyfoot around in this Country. Our adverts and Road safety education err on the side of 'lets not upset them', In other Countries they are much more graphic. Ireland has a particularly effective set of adverts aimed at young people (look on Youtube. edit I will try to post some of them if I can find them later).
Whilst speed is a major factor in road deaths it isn't the be all and end all.
Defective vehicle parts
Drink
Drugs
Defective Road (Camber and road surface)
Visibility (of Pedestrian or Cyclist)
All play a part in the increasing carnage on our roads. The problem is the Government as always go after the Motorist. There are a myriad of different ways to reduce Road deaths (after all we all want road deaths to be reduced), but this is the easiest and the cynical would also say the one that brings in the most revenue.
Increase road safety:
Introduce motorway driving to test
Introduce emergency car control to test
Increase tyre standards
Increase minimum tread depth on tyres
Set minimum standard stopping distances on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Set minimum standard cornering G on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Mandate ESC and EBA on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Introduce motorway driving to test
Introduce emergency car control to test
Increase tyre standards
Increase minimum tread depth on tyres
Set minimum standard stopping distances on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Set minimum standard cornering G on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Mandate ESC and EBA on all new cars produced above a certain volume
Soldato
Step one: Go to scrapper.
Step two: Locate a scrapped car on the same reg as yours.
Step three: Have a dodgy garage make a set of plates the same and Robert is your sister's brother.
Step four: Drive at whatever speed you want, there will be no coppers on the road as the government knows that cameras are a better way to stop bad drivers. We all win!
Step two: Locate a scrapped car on the same reg as yours.
Step three: Have a dodgy garage make a set of plates the same and Robert is your sister's brother.
Step four: Drive at whatever speed you want, there will be no coppers on the road as the government knows that cameras are a better way to stop bad drivers. We all win!
These should be shown at every 6th Form in the UK - I think they would have the desired effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Cvg_j7hsE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PMDZjOW2KM&feature=related
Very graphic and very very powerful. They would do far more to reduce Road deaths than dropping the speed limit to 50 in the Countryside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Cvg_j7hsE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PMDZjOW2KM&feature=related
Very graphic and very very powerful. They would do far more to reduce Road deaths than dropping the speed limit to 50 in the Countryside.