Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe faces new charge in Iran.

You have to respect the laws of the land you travel to and expect to be punished by their justice system if you do.

If you don't agree with their laws, vote without feet and don't travel there.

Personally I wouldnt travel to Iran or North Korea for example.
 
Richarlison said:
Iranian state tv are reporting that the UK will now pay the 400mil to Tehran to free Nazanin. Excellent news...now why was this not done earlier!
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And the next time Iran wants 400m? (though as above I think given the circumstances you'd have to be nuts to travel there sadly).
 
Richarlison said:
We owed them the money no?
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If we 'owe' them the money fair enough, I'd be interested to know why, although I'm sure a quick Google would tell me that, if we don't owe them the money then why the **** would we be giving them the money, also on the flips side, if we do owe them the money, why aren't we paying it, NZ should have nothing to do with that, and its certainly not right to put someone in jail to try and leverage that to get us to give them money if we do owe it...
 
Trig said:
If we 'owe' them the money fair enough, I'd be interested to know why, although I'm sure a quick Google would tell me that, if we don't owe them the money then why the **** would we be giving them the money, also on the flips side, if we do owe them the money, why aren't we paying it, NZ should have nothing to do with that, and its certainly not right to put someone in jail to try and leverage that to get us to give them money if we do owe it...
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The old regime ordered and paid for a load of tanks, the UK trousered the cash after this lot took over. I think it's held in a frozen account or something. Can't blame them for being a bit ******.
 
Rroff said:
Doesn't give them a right to go around holding citizens on account of that debt regardless and once you go down that road...
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They arrested her on charges that she aided several journalists who were convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

Boris advised that she had been training journalists.

In early September 2016, she was sentenced to five years in prison "for allegedly plotting to topple the Iranian regime."[4][5] The prosecutor general of Tehran stated in October 2017 that she was imprisoned for running "...a BBC Persian online journalism course which was aimed at recruiting and training people to spread propaganda against Iran".[7] PressTV in 2017 reported she had been "found guilty of spying and spreading propaganda against the Islamic Republic",[28] describing the activities involved as her BBC World Service Trust work:

She identified potential Iranian recruits and invited them to attend the training courses, received and reviewed their resumes, managed financial affairs related to the courses in Malaysia and India, picked trainers, assessed the performance of the participants and managed the ZigZag Academy’s websites.[28]
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The BBC admitted that she had been working for them, but claimed, in order to reduce the severity it had been in a junior administrative capacity. However, even if it was simply an administrative capacity all of the offences she was accused of, I.e managing resumes, inviting reporters etc so appear to be administrative tasks so likely she was involved in them.

Within months of working in this 'junior' capacity she had been promoted to being a project manager working for Thomson Reuters Foundation.
 
Uther said:
The old regime ordered and paid for a load of tanks, the UK trousered the cash after this lot took over. I think it's held in a frozen account or something. Can't blame them for being a bit ******.
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Problem is you can't just give places like Iran money, are there not issues with human rights and terrorism, so there are rules in place to make sure they aren't getting military funds or hardware?
This is exactly the reason we shouldn't be selling weapons to places like Iran/Saudi etc.
The money should be given to the Red Cross or similar that does aid work in the area rather than giving it to the ruling family..
You then have the added fun that the next time someone feels like they want something from us the precedence has been set and you are essentially negotiating with terrorists..

I did have a quick read about elections being held out there or something, I'm sure being seen as the party that 'stuck it' to the UK/West wont have anything to do with trying to win votes...
 
Trig said:
Problem is you can't just give places like Iran money, are there not issues with human rights and terrorism, so there are rules in place to make sure they aren't getting military funds or hardware?
This is exactly the reason we shouldn't be selling weapons to places like Iran/Saudi etc.
The money should be given to the Red Cross or similar that does aid work in the area rather than giving it to the ruling family..
You then have the added fun that the next time someone feels like they want something from us the precedence has been set and you are essentially negotiating with terrorists..

I did have a quick read about elections being held out there or something, I'm sure being seen as the party that 'stuck it' to the UK/West wont have anything to do with trying to win votes...
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Well it's not a question of giving them money, it's giving them their own money back. The UK being a major arms dealer doesn't sit well with me at all.
Apparently a lot of normal Iranians are very nice people, it's a shame they live under such a ****** regime.
 
Yes - the media needs to remind public/forum that Boris had a role in her imprisonment (like they keep forgetting about Accuri too, when discussing the John Lewis furniture,
cash for curtains/benefits)

With Biden trying to restore the nuclear deal, that should be opportunity for UK to pay up ... but Israelis didn't help with their sabotage, could Biden have OK'd that, though ?
 
Uther said:
The UK being a major arms dealer doesn't sit well with me at all.
Apparently a lot of normal Iranians are very nice people, it's a shame they live under such a ****** regime.
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Agreed, its fair enough having arms to defend yourself, but selling them to unstable regimes because the guy that's in power now has oil, or you want him to like you for some other reason is great, until that regime gets toppled and the new guy doesn't like you and uses your kit to kill their own people, neighbours and so on..
 
jpaul said:
So boris will be ingratiating himself with Biden, is that for the trade deal, or our mutual nuclear security.
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It looks like Iran has found itself another carbon copy beardy wierdy to carry the flag. When will they get with the 21st century and shoo in somebody with a modernist liberal agenda (not a cleric) benefitting the Iranian people?
 
Hagar said:
It looks like Iran has found itself another carbon copy beardy wierdy to carry the flag. When will they get with the 21st century and shoo in somebody with a modernist liberal agenda (not a cleric) benefitting the Iranian people?
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Unless there’s a civil war and the entire cleric elite gets removed, it’s never going to happen.
 
Imagine what it would be like if we didn't play with others that arent on a similar level to us, bit like Starfleets non-interference prime directive kinda thing lol
 
Hagar said:
It looks like Iran has found itself another carbon copy beardy wierdy to carry the flag. When will they get with the 21st century and shoo in somebody with a modernist liberal agenda (not a cleric) benefitting the Iranian people?
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They had one, the Shah of Persia got exiled though. Many want his like back, here he is driving his Lamborghini Miura in the snow, not something you can show me an Ayatollah doing ;) As for the Zaghari-Ratcliffe woman, (why have double barrelled surnames made such an acceptable comeback when not long ago the bearers of them were snubbed by the hoi polloi as snobbish and of the same ilk as public school educated Rees-Mogg. Now every first division footballer of colour seems to have adopted one ...), she's dodgy as hell, along with her husband, IMHO, and simply made the elemental mistake of getting caught. Leave her there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKkM8zCQvs
 
Chris Wilson said:
They had one, the Shah of Persia got exiled though. Many want his like back, here he is driving his Lamborghini Miura in the snow, not something you can show me an Ayatollah doing ;) As for the Zaghari-Ratcliffe woman, (why have double barrelled surnames made such an acceptable comeback when not long ago the bearers of them were snubbed by the hoi polloi as snobbish and of the same ilk as public school educated Rees-Mogg. Now every first division footballer of colour seems to have adopted one ...), she's dodgy as hell, along with her husband, IMHO, and simply made the elemental mistake of getting caught. Leave her there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKkM8zCQvs
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Err, no, the Shah was an authoritarian dictator who the West loved because they thought he was their nice safe puppet in charge of extensive oil fields. He was a constitutional monarch and they had an elected prime minister who had the misfortune to declare himself a socialist which rubbed the yanks up the wrong way so the CIA arranged to have him assasinated and put the Shah in his place. Except of course the people weren't too happy with that so they rose up against it and hence their bitter enmity of all things western and the USA in particular and also the reason America hates them just as much in return, if only they would fall into line and behave like a good little US puppet...
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Err, no, the Shah was an authoritarian dictator who the West loved because they thought he was their nice safe puppet in charge of extensive oil fields. He was a constitutional monarch and they had an elected prime minister who had the misfortune to declare himself a socialist which rubbed the yanks up the wrong way so the CIA arranged to have him assasinated and put the Shah in his place. Except of course the people weren't too happy with that so they rose up against it and hence their bitter enmity of all things western and the USA in particular and also the reason America hates them just as much in return, if only they would fall into line and behave like a good little US puppet...
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Having a religious nutter in charge does nobody any favours, least of all the people who live there. Sounds horrible to say it, but some places actually seem to need a dictator in charge. Iran was quite a modern country pre revolution.
 
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