Absolutely, it wont be a matter of if things break, but when.
NEARLY 2 YEARS WAITING: New Mustang GT PP is finally mine!
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Absolutely, it wont be a matter of if things break, but when.
Exactly!
These cars bone stock seem very happy in 650-700BHP range.
Upgrade the OPG (oil pump gears) and they seem fine upto 900BHP. Anything higher I'd say is borrowed time though there are plenty running at such levels and higher, but as always so much of it is in the tune. My friends supercharged one (yellow one) is around 750-800BHP and he abuses that thing so bad, but its being fine and is incredibly quick.
I ran my last Mustang for nearly 50,000 miles in a supercharged state with double its rated output, that car never let me down once. Shame from what I heard the next owner absolutely ruined the car and supposedly crashed it.....
Nope its my daily, will see tracks on rare occasions, its just a fun car that needs to be both reliable, fun and go quick when I want but be controllable.
For track day duty the M3 fills that role whilst also being a daily.
Guess it depends how good the pistons and rods are, I would imagine 650-700 on stock would be ok. 900 would raise an eyebrow, would expect it wouldn't take many hard shifts for them to give out.
Our cars have the BOSS 302 engine, so most of it is forged from factory, this is why some are being pushed beyond 1000 stock, the weakest part in the engine is the oil pump gears, a relatively cheap part but it takes a good 5-6hr to swap out and you need to reset timing so it is not a job I'd be willing to do on my own.
750-800 is sweet spot and Ford are happy to sell them on forecourts in the USA with upto 750 horsepower. There are quite a few owners now in the US running around with 700BHP on bone stock engines for 20-50k miles without issue and a lot of quarter mile passes, like 500 passes or so, as such they seem pretty solid.
Have you seen how the US guys drive these things, they shift like bloody maniacs, they drive them far harder than I'd ever drive mine to be honest, just seems totally abusive but they seem to take it.....
I am just playing it safe, US guys with 350 kit rev over 8000, I am keeping it to around 7500 which is also what Ford set their limiter at on this upgrade pack, I am only set higher to avoid bumping the limiter as hitting the limiter does more harm than good.
Likewise when I go FI I shall stay in a 650-700 region, safer on the car and at those levels is there any need for more, traction will just become an issue on road tyres. Though of course that is where the single turbo kit idea is fun, low boost for road of say 650BHP, then on hot day or track, flick it on high boost for close to 800 horses.
Amazingly there are now a lot of UK cars running on Roush and Whipple chargers, already around 20-30 or so blown upon in the UK that I know off and I think even a couple of Roush kits have being pre-supplied and fitted by Ford UK upfront, impressive if true.
Will admit, the allure of getting something similar to yours to mod it, relatively cheaply is quite high.
Having said that, will be taking mine to a 4.25 over the next 2 years, in incremental steps.
Maybe next car
Having said that, will be taking mine to a 4.25 over the next 2 years, in incremental steps.
Maybe next car
I had my heart set on getting a yellow Mustang in a couple of years, but I saw this blue one recently and now i'm feeling swayed!
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pics were huge!
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pics were huge!
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Are they parallel or series setups? I was thinking 2 smaller series setup, theres just something about the spool up noises of those which sound soooooooo awesome
Parrallel - V8 wih dual exhaust so they run one turbo on each bank
That is Grabber Blue, my favourite colour was Magnetic, but that is my new favourite and was my choice for MY18 if I buy one.
The above a UK owner took delivery today, Ford fitted most of his modifications for him which on the above I believe is Eibach springs, GT350 spoiler, black mirrors and black badges. He has done very little but it looks absolutely amazing, the modern Mustang is an absolute thing of beauty, what a car at under 40k!
The dealerships are getting better, I believe there s 2-3 now fitting the Roush (Mountune) Stage 1 super charger kits with warranty, though I'd get that in writing, still it does man for under 50k you can get a car from dealership with sorted suspension and around 650BHP, of course if you buy and install yourself then you will save thousands by doing so.
The bad news is Ford have already discontinued the colour so you need to order now to get it, but when the model refresh comes around next April which is rumoured to include cool stuff such as:
- Direct fuel injection (Power lifted to 460BHP area)
- 10 speed automatic
So a rather big engine and gear box change, the 10-speed replaces current antique 6-speed unit. 6 speed manual still an option.
Also rumours there will be options such as magnetic ride, active exhaust, power packs, carbon packs and two performance packs.
So bad news on the colour but some significant upgrades coming that will only improve the driver further, though whilst no doubt increasing price quite a bit.
So if you want Grabber blue, order now, otherwise in two years you can order a yellow one and it will be a whole lot quicker than they are now particular if you go with 10 speed.
That is Grabber Blue, my favourite colour was Magnetic, but that is my new favourite and was my choice for MY18 if I buy one.
The above a UK owner took delivery today, Ford fitted most of his modifications for him which on the above I believe is Eibach springs, GT350 spoiler, black mirrors and black badges. He has done very little but it looks absolutely amazing, the modern Mustang is an absolute thing of beauty, what a car at under 40k!
The dealerships are getting better, I believe there s 2-3 now fitting the Roush (Mountune) Stage 1 super charger kits with warranty, though I'd get that in writing, still it does man for under 50k you can get a car from dealership with sorted suspension and around 650BHP, of course if you buy and install yourself then you will save thousands by doing so.
The bad news is Ford have already discontinued the colour so you need to order now to get it, but when the model refresh comes around next April which is rumoured to include cool stuff such as:
- Direct fuel injection (Power lifted to 460BHP area)
- 10 speed automatic
So a rather big engine and gear box change, the 10-speed replaces current antique 6-speed unit. 6 speed manual still an option.
Also rumours there will be options such as magnetic ride, active exhaust, power packs, carbon packs and two performance packs.
So bad news on the colour but some significant upgrades coming that will only improve the driver further, though whilst no doubt increasing price quite a bit.
So if you want Grabber blue, order now, otherwise in two years you can order a yellow one and it will be a whole lot quicker than they are now particular if you go with 10 speed.
Thanks Gibbo,
Unfortunately I've just bought a house (on my own!) so im a little light on funds, it'll have to wait a few years. Yellow was my wish list for longer so no huge loss!
Where did this info come from (Grabber Blue stopping, DFI and 10 speed auto)?
Ford and various press sites.
Yes they have! MY18 it shall no longer be available and the conversation was in relation to the new MY18 with 10-speed and DI/PI V8.
This is whuy I said you need to order now to still get Grabber Blue, come April next year when the model refresh happens Grabber Blue shall no longer be an option.
Maybe my wording was off but for the model refresh (MY18) which will be around April next year Grabber Blue will no longer be an option. There shall however be new colour options one if which is Orange Fury, similar to what Competition Orange was. There are also some other new colours coming as well.
Hi there
I took out my friends today, the yellow Whipple one with circa 700BHP. Roads mainly dry and to my surprise it puts the power down quite well.
1st gear: It goes and it smokes them.
2nd gear: Roll into smooth and it puts the power down very well.
3rd gear and above: No issues!
I was expecting it to be tail happy and breaking traction but it does not, yes if it was colder and greasy for sure it would but today is 6c and most roads have dried out and it put the power down well, very well infact. In comparison my mates M5 has 560BHP and it struggles like crazy in 2nd and 3rd to put power down, but he is running on Pzero and we know that going to MPSS like Mac has on the Mustang makes a vast improvement in traction.
City driving I'd say it drives better than stock, the throttle does very little in the first 1000-2000rpm making it very smooth and easy to drive, you could let your gran take it to the shops without issue.
Partial throttle again nice and smooth, maybe a touch less initial get up and go compared to a tuned NA car due to the fact a blown upon car has to run a lot less timing for obvious safety reasons but once the revs are over 3000rpm partial throttle pull is superb and is just as easy to manage as stock if not easier.
WOT, wide open throttle is insane, if you plan to go full acceleration in 2nd or 3rd you need to be ready to change gear, because 2nd gear and 3rd gear are over in seconds and this is with no wheelspin, they are just over in a blink. Mac was saying rev it more, as I was changing up at 6500-7000rpm, I was scared to try and change higher with how fast the revs climbed and did not want to be bouncing of limiter which is somewhere around 8000rpm I believe, literally blink and you will miss it.
I even did a 5th gear pull from 3000rpm and the car just instantly woke up and teared of down the road, this thing would pull to 160mph so easily, its just over in no time at all. It is frightening quick and the fact that 700BHP+ still works on a dry winters day is impressive.
In short it is damn impressive, it has not become a nightmare to drive, it drives just like a stock car, infact it drives better. Just when you go past 50% throttle you can feel there is something much more and mashing the loud pedal to the floor is like engaging the hyper driver on the Millennium Falcon, it just goes, I can see why they make 200mph so easy when blown upon.
My only complaint is its all a bit too frantic when you get on it, get in the loud pedal for a few seconds and you are well beyond a 100mph, just end up going too quick and this is in a manual, in an automatic where the involvement is reduced this would be a go to jail card way too easily.
But I love it, I think I will end up going FI, my only recommendation would be to Mac and if/when I do it I would probably fit some longer gears like a 3.31 or 3.15 to make 2nd, 3rd and 4th well last a bit longer, plus they would aid any traction issues also.
I am watching the single Turbo options as for $4995 and 750BHP they are good value, but un-proven and a turbo could drive like poo, though its modern stuff, twin scroll and all that so no doubt pretty good.
My favourite option right now is an ATI Pro Charger Kit (Centri), its a true 100% reversible bolt-on that I can do at home. $6000 and power is 650-1000BHP, depending on pulley, fuel system ran etc. I'd start with a low 8psi and see how I get on. This system is also lightweight and has no negative impact on intake temperatures or heatsoak, making it also very track day friendly.
Or Whipple, the noise (whine) and more low/mid-range ooomph is nice but not crazy too much like a Roots style blower like the Roush but still more than a Centri style. Heat is an issue with this style of blower both heat soak and intake temperatures though it seems to have little to no impact on daily driving and of course this system has the biggest weight penalty and cost the most. But it drives perfect, sounds great and works. Would be nice to get to drive a Pro Charged car, but not easy, I am off to USA in a couple of weeks so going to see if anyone on M6G with a Procharger would be willing to meet up and take me for a spin.
I took out my friends today, the yellow Whipple one with circa 700BHP. Roads mainly dry and to my surprise it puts the power down quite well.
1st gear: It goes and it smokes them.
2nd gear: Roll into smooth and it puts the power down very well.
3rd gear and above: No issues!
I was expecting it to be tail happy and breaking traction but it does not, yes if it was colder and greasy for sure it would but today is 6c and most roads have dried out and it put the power down well, very well infact. In comparison my mates M5 has 560BHP and it struggles like crazy in 2nd and 3rd to put power down, but he is running on Pzero and we know that going to MPSS like Mac has on the Mustang makes a vast improvement in traction.
City driving I'd say it drives better than stock, the throttle does very little in the first 1000-2000rpm making it very smooth and easy to drive, you could let your gran take it to the shops without issue.
Partial throttle again nice and smooth, maybe a touch less initial get up and go compared to a tuned NA car due to the fact a blown upon car has to run a lot less timing for obvious safety reasons but once the revs are over 3000rpm partial throttle pull is superb and is just as easy to manage as stock if not easier.
WOT, wide open throttle is insane, if you plan to go full acceleration in 2nd or 3rd you need to be ready to change gear, because 2nd gear and 3rd gear are over in seconds and this is with no wheelspin, they are just over in a blink. Mac was saying rev it more, as I was changing up at 6500-7000rpm, I was scared to try and change higher with how fast the revs climbed and did not want to be bouncing of limiter which is somewhere around 8000rpm I believe, literally blink and you will miss it.
I even did a 5th gear pull from 3000rpm and the car just instantly woke up and teared of down the road, this thing would pull to 160mph so easily, its just over in no time at all. It is frightening quick and the fact that 700BHP+ still works on a dry winters day is impressive.
In short it is damn impressive, it has not become a nightmare to drive, it drives just like a stock car, infact it drives better. Just when you go past 50% throttle you can feel there is something much more and mashing the loud pedal to the floor is like engaging the hyper driver on the Millennium Falcon, it just goes, I can see why they make 200mph so easy when blown upon.
My only complaint is its all a bit too frantic when you get on it, get in the loud pedal for a few seconds and you are well beyond a 100mph, just end up going too quick and this is in a manual, in an automatic where the involvement is reduced this would be a go to jail card way too easily.
But I love it, I think I will end up going FI, my only recommendation would be to Mac and if/when I do it I would probably fit some longer gears like a 3.31 or 3.15 to make 2nd, 3rd and 4th well last a bit longer, plus they would aid any traction issues also.
I am watching the single Turbo options as for $4995 and 750BHP they are good value, but un-proven and a turbo could drive like poo, though its modern stuff, twin scroll and all that so no doubt pretty good.
My favourite option right now is an ATI Pro Charger Kit (Centri), its a true 100% reversible bolt-on that I can do at home. $6000 and power is 650-1000BHP, depending on pulley, fuel system ran etc. I'd start with a low 8psi and see how I get on. This system is also lightweight and has no negative impact on intake temperatures or heatsoak, making it also very track day friendly.
Or Whipple, the noise (whine) and more low/mid-range ooomph is nice but not crazy too much like a Roots style blower like the Roush but still more than a Centri style. Heat is an issue with this style of blower both heat soak and intake temperatures though it seems to have little to no impact on daily driving and of course this system has the biggest weight penalty and cost the most. But it drives perfect, sounds great and works. Would be nice to get to drive a Pro Charged car, but not easy, I am off to USA in a couple of weeks so going to see if anyone on M6G with a Procharger would be willing to meet up and take me for a spin.