NEARLY 2 YEARS WAITING: New Mustang GT PP is finally mine!

That's a shame... that 5.2 sounds incredible :) I have a bit of a thing for flat plane crank v8s.

Oh well, I'm sure the standard V8 is pretty epic :) n/a goodness is a decent starting point... I imagine with the lower rev limit, there will be a bit more low-down torque than the E92 M3.

I'm not interested in RHD, getting LHD car for a change... plus I'd rather wait than pay a markup... I'm sure he'll sell it though, plenty of people looking at these :)
 
crinkleshoes said:
That's a shame... that 5.2 sounds incredible :) I have a bit of a thing for flat plane crank v8s.

Oh well, I'm sure the standard V8 is pretty epic :) n/a goodness is a decent starting point... I imagine with the lower rev limit, there will be a bit more low-down torque than the E92 M3.

I'm not interested in RHD, getting LHD car for a change... plus I'd rather wait than pay a markup... I'm sure he'll sell it though, plenty of people looking at these :)
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Buy a 350 from a us dealer and then import it yourself not an option?

Yes this engine has a lot more torque than the V8 M3, it's a very flexible engine happy to accelerate well from 25mph in 5th gear.

What I enjoy is its fun to drive even at lower speeds, full of character, has real old school handling but at same time is very capable and it's one of the worlds most famous cars.

Just be warned its no BMW M car as in no one really notices them except maybe other petrol heads. In comparison the Mustang draws crowds, people film you, take photos will drop their windows for a flyby, people love it so just be aware of the attention you will get. It gets vastly more attention than my bright yellow 911 did!
 
I have to say, I'm so happy that there seems to be a good market for these in Europe and the UK. I was a little worried that it would bomb but it seems my fears didn't come to fruition.
It's a lovely breath of fresh air when compared to all the dull-as-ditchwater diesel Euro crap-boxes that seem to be the only things that people want these days.

Here's hoping it will tempt other US manufacturers to bring their interesting cars over properly rather than the lazy way they've done in the past. RHD Corvette? Yes please. Same with the Challenger.
 
Rilot said:
I have to say, I'm so happy that there seems to be a good market for these in Europe and the UK. I was a little worried that it would bomb but it seems my fears didn't come to fruition.
It's a lovely breath of fresh air when compared to all the dull-as-ditchwater diesel Euro crap-boxes that seem to be the only things that people want these days.

Here's hoping it will tempt other US manufacturers to bring their interesting cars over properly rather than the lazy way they've done in the past. RHD Corvette? Yes please. Same with the Challenger.
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I hope it makes GM react because I would love a grand sport Vette or even a Z06, gotta say though if Ford bring more and GM start to get involved thing could get interesting.

I mean read this review:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/eve...uldn-t-drag-away-waiting-list-just-might.html


Chris Evans seems to get it and is very impressed to the point of mayber ordering. :)


Then read this one a direct comparison between it and the far more expensive M4:

http://www.driving.co.uk/news/wild-...scle-2016-ford-mustang-gt-fastback-vs-bmw-m4/


So he rates the M4 better for interior and overall build quality. But rates the Mustang the better drive, better engine.

Yet the simple fact is the Mustang GT PP is doing so well in reviews and being compared to far more expensive rivals and holding its own, this is now two reviews where the Mustang toppled the M4 yet costing vastly less.


So one has to ask just imagine if the GT 350, 350R came to the UK, a car which would be around £50-£60,000 to buy but still less than an M4, its fair to say the 350 would wipe the floor with an M4.

That is just Ford, if GM come and bring the grand sport Vette and Z06 the Europeans manufacturers might get a huge shock as the Vetter is arguable even better looking than the GT 350 and is even quicker.

Just hope Ford bring more models over after the huge success Mustang has had globally and then GM also make a move. :)

Lets just hope the good reviews, big demand does not result in Ford increasing prices even further.....
 

Someone mentioned it in another thread but the levels of purchase justification are quite funny.

It's a great car having driven them extensively (friend has a white mustang gt pp) but you're dreaming if you think it handles as well as the M4.

My main complaint is the torque curve can be heavy handed (but easily manageable once you get to know it) but the handling is unquestionable, literally on a dime which the mustang was not, but you'd expect that given it's considerably more expensive.

The GT350/R is a different animal entirely, priced to compete and would compete if not beat an M4. In fact if they brought it to the UK I'd consider it.
 
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SS-89 said:
Someone mentioned it in another thread but the levels of purchase justification are quite funny.

It's a great car having driven them extensively (friend has a white mustang gt pp) but you're dreaming if you think it handles as well as the M4.

My main complaint is the torque curve can be heavy handed (but easily manageable once you get to know it) but the handling is unquestionable, literally on a dime which the mustang was not, but you'd expect that given it's considerably more expensive.

The GT350/R is a different animal entirely, priced to compete and would compete if not beat an M4. In fact if they brought it to the UK I'd consider it.
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The weakness for me with the new M's is the engine, the outgoing V8 was better, well certainly in my view. The handling on the new M3/M4 is certainly an improvement over the E92 M3, I just feel if the new M3/M4 had an NA V8 engine in them it would have being perfect, just the engine ruined it for even though it is a very quick car I am just not feeling turbo's at moment.

Stock Mustang GT PP is squishy out back is a polite way to put, they need some suspension work and tweaking to bring them upto 350 levels, but it does not cost a lot thankfully to do so at which point the handling is a big improvement over the stock car. The other major issue on the Mustang is the Pzero's, just a change to MPSS transforms the car. Does it handle like a 911 after the tweaks, nope, is it as capable though, yes, just a different approach and driving style to get the results. :)
 
Gibbo said:
The weakness for me with the new M's is the engine, the outgoing V8 was better, well certainly in my view. The handling on the new M3/M4 is certainly an improvement over the E92 M3, I just feel if the new M3/M4 had an NA V8 engine in them it would have being perfect, just the engine ruined it for even though it is a very quick car I am just not feeling turbo's at moment.
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Would I have preferred an N/A V8 with more torque (my old e92 m3 was a bit gutless in that respect)? Undoubtedly . The engine is an animal though and so much fun. Hell I've got the MP exhaust now and it sounds utterly intoxicating, turbo induction noise coupled with rasp and growl...:)

Are there any rumblings on the 350/R I'd be seriously interested as I have always had a soft spot for mustangs? ('67 fastback is in my dream collection)
 
SS-89 said:
Would I have preferred an N/A V8 with more torque (my old e92 m3 was a bit gutless in that respect)? Undoubtedly . The engine is an animal though and so much fun. Hell I've got the MP exhaust now and it sounds utterly intoxicating, turbo induction noise coupled with rasp and growl...:)

Are there any rumblings on the 350/R I'd be seriously interested as I have always had a soft spot for mustangs? ('67 fastback is in my dream collection)
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You can make a V6/S6 turbo sound OK for sure, but even a tame V8 sounds better, but everyone likes different things, for me there is no better sound than a V8 or a V10, though the Porsche flat 6 NA do make a lovely sound.

Right now no plans for 350 to come RHD, but I think Ford will make a model/revision update/change maybe in 2018 so we might get something and the S650 is expected 2020/2021 which if global says stay strong we could see more of the exciting models find there way to UK shores.
 
GT350 production is going to end next year, so there doesn't seem to be any plans to bring it to Europe at all. They're only using the FPC voodoo motor in the 350 too sadly.

There are a couple that have been imported but they're going to be ~100k. US dealers are not allowed to sell R models for export at all, and even the 350's cannot be exported by customers apparently, only a select couple of dealers.
 
They won't sell you the car unless you pay the tax, which will cost you a lot extra. That and allocations are still going for $20-30k over MSRP as its a low volume car. They can make you sign a waiver as well stating no export.

The car is so rare, they don't even need to entertain an export order.
 
Speak to Bill Shepherd if you want a 350 none R, he has one on the way and can potentially get more, but he is paying over odds and then wants a good 20k profit himself so expect to pay around 80-100k GBP for one. :eek:
 
Rilot said:
I have to say, I'm so happy that there seems to be a good market for these in Europe and the UK. I was a little worried that it would bomb but it seems my fears didn't come to fruition.
It's a lovely breath of fresh air when compared to all the dull-as-ditchwater diesel Euro crap-boxes that seem to be the only things that people want these days.

Here's hoping it will tempt other US manufacturers to bring their interesting cars over properly rather than the lazy way they've done in the past. RHD Corvette? Yes please. Same with the Challenger.
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The Mustang has more than a chunk of Mondeo DNA underneath, hence making it relatively easy to engineer for RHD. Corvettes and Challengers don't have that benefit.
 
Alibaba99 said:
The Mustang has more than a chunk of Mondeo DNA underneath, hence making it relatively easy to engineer for RHD. Corvettes and Challengers don't have that benefit.
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It is actually more S197 underpinnings. ;)

They took some elements of the new Mondeo IRS for the S550 Mustang and re-designed the S197 front cross member and changed it to a front subframe and the front wishbones are unique to the S550 I believe but the chassis originated from the S197, not the Mondeo.

When they designed the IRS which shares parts with new Mondeo the results were so good it rendered the front suspension not good enough, hence the new front suspension re-design. :)
 
Mr-White said:
When I replace the tyres would fitting slightly larger tyres to the rims help ?
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Help with what exactly?

Stock wheel widths are 9" front and 9.5" rear. So optimal size is 255 front section and 275 rear section.

Anything under will looked stretch and anything over will bulge.


Simply changing to MPSS in the same size as stock will transform the car handling wise in all weather conditions, trust me you will be shocked out how much better the car becomes by just changing the tyre.

I know this because my 911 had Pzero's and in the dry it felt a bit soft/floaty hurting confidence and in the wet it was un-predictable and had little feedback. I changed to MPSS in the same size, in the dry the car was full of confidence and felt a lot more sporty/direct and in the wet, well it felt like it was dry. The difference they made to subjective feel, grip, handling was night and day better than any suspension modification I ever made to the 911. Decent tyres out rank any suspension modification you can make, they can literally transform a car for good or bad, with MPSS it will be very good! :)

A lot of guys across the pond have changed out Pzero for MPSS in stock sizes and their findings are same as I found with the 911, its a different car. Pzero really is not so great!
 
The lack of grip is worrying considering I drove to work at 4'c again this morning. I'll definately be swapping the tyres end of the summer and was wondering if bigger tyres or maybe even bigger wheels would increase the grip.
 
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