NEARLY 2 YEARS WAITING: New Mustang GT PP is finally mine!

Mr-White said:
I might have a look into those advanced driving course :)

Once you know the cars going to go, how do you rectify it ?
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Depends on how you got into the situation really. If you're being too aggressive with the throttle, lift a bit (gently!) and prepare to run slightly wide (because that's probably inevitable). If you've gone in too hot, take some steering angle out and be prepared to miss the apex by a mile and again run wide and/or give it some opposite lock.

Go and have some professional training and it'll mean much more than words on a page :)
 
Drove back around that roundabout at lunch and apart from a pot hole there didn't look to be anything on the road. I tend to drop down into a bend and not accelerate again until I'm out, I'm thinking maybe I was on the power too early.
 
Mr-White said:
Drove back around that roundabout at lunch and apart from a pot hole there didn't look to be anything on the road. I tend to drop down into a bend and not accelerate again until I'm out, I'm thinking maybe I was on the power too early.
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In addition to colder tyres, colder temps, damp road and no traction control.
 
SS-89 said:
In addition to colder tyres, colder temps, damp road and no traction control.
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While that is true it is also sort of irrelevant really. Cars with similar power:grip ratios and with far worse handling dynamics have been in use for decades without traction control in similar crappy British weather. Every Ford Sierra didn't fall off the road in our cold, wet winters!

The difference is purely down to skill and experience. I have no doubt Mr-White will take the experience as a learning opportunity and a bit of a wake-up call :)
 
Mr-White said:
Drove back around that roundabout at lunch and apart from a pot hole there didn't look to be anything on the road. I tend to drop down into a bend and not accelerate again until I'm out, I'm thinking maybe I was on the power too early.
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Definetely power to early, this car in wet and even worse in wet/cold will step out easy and quickly with an in-experienced driver, three have being crashed this week that I know off.

No offence a lot of the issue is a lot of customers buying these cars are moving from FWD hatches/saloons to a far more powerful RWD car with no past experience of RWD and people are finding out the hard way.

To prevent an accident let me advice following:

- Advance car limits day
- Drift day
- Track day

However not everyone can do the above and at £100-£1000 they can be expensive, but Oulton Park do drift days for about £150 for a couple of hours in GT86 and its a great couple of hours. However its not a full on drift day, they teach you have to cover ground in the fastest possible way with small slip angles and put you against the clock so in order to be fastest you need to how a little power oversteer on exit but just the right amount so your not easing off the throttle if that makes sense. There are also full on drift days you can book as well which I advice but they cost around £300 and are normall in MX5's or E46 M3's try to go in an E46 M3 as the handling is surprisingly similar to the S550 Mustang, really a very good thing. :)

But all that aside to prevent a slide, loss of control or even worse an accident do the following:

- Brake in a straight line towards a corner
- Keep the car balanced on throttle, don't be off throttle but at same time no need to be accelerating, just keep the throttle position open to maintain speed
- Do not accelerate until you start to remove steering lock and build into the throttle slowly whilst removing steering lock, do not go full throttle until all wheels are straight.
- The above should keep you safe, as you gain confidence and experience then of course depending on corner, grip available you might be able to achieve full throttle at the apex whilst removing steering lock.
- In the wet, keep it in wet/normal mode
- Changing the Pzero is good advice, but good advice is also to just drive slower to the grip levels they permit.
- REMEMBER SLOW IN, FAST OUT and smooth gradual inputs!



The chassis is quite communitive, at the limits of grip the front-end will initially go wide and get light and depending on what you do the rear could go light and let go, here is some advice:

- Front end goes light due to slightly to quick corner entry, try just gently easing the throttle and maybe a very light gentle application of brakes to get the front-end back on point by adding a little extra weight.
- Do not brake hard, rear will come round, do not apply more steering lock rear will come round.
- If the rear is sliding then first keep looking where you want the car to go, and your brain will naturally apply the correct amount of corrective steering lock required, again keep the throttle open ideally in a position to maintain speed or back of gently and keep the inputs smooth and small.


A perfect example you enter a roundabout a bit wild to go straight over it in the right hand lane and your left lane is clear, staying in the right lane will no doubt mean a spin, simply look where you want to go, steer to go there and you will end up in the left hand lane but be pointing straight. Never fight a car when it is letting go on you, work with the car and take means to get the speed down gradually to remain control.

I am no expert, it is very hard to explain in writing, in short it is best you go on a driving course learn the basics and then go do a track day. :)
 
Does the mustang have an LSD? I found it far easier to get sideways on the road with one.

At a guess most cars / older cars will have an open diff and more likely to spin one wheel rather than go full on sideways when you step on the power a little too much?
 
Firestar_3x said:
Does the mustang have an LSD? I found it far easier to get sideways on the road with one.

At a guess most cars / older cars will have an open diff and more likely to spin one wheel rather than go full on sideways when you step on the power a little too much?
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Yes it does and it is brilliant, I find the Mustang does slides better than my E46 M3 the LSD is so good, but as always in low grip situations LSD or not the break away can be two quick and too aggressive because these are heavy cars not lightweight MX5's or Lotus. In the dry you can really have plenty of fun with power oversteer and it is very controllable. :)
 
DRZ said:
While that is true it is also sort of irrelevant really. Cars with similar power:grip ratios and with far worse handling dynamics have been in use for decades without traction control in similar crappy British weather. Every Ford Sierra didn't fall off the road in our cold, wet winters!

The difference is purely down to skill and experience. I have no doubt Mr-White will take the experience as a learning opportunity and a bit of a wake-up call :)
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Of course but the lack of traction control is rather relevant when the driver doesn't have the necessary skills to account for loss of traction!

Ultimately more experience/training is required but as a first port of call keep traction control on!
 
I took mine (2010) on track on Tuesday and was amazed at how big the difference was from a cold wet morning, to a dry, not quite as cold afternoon.


This was the smaller of the two. I had quite a big one on the sighting lap for gods sake...

In the morning I pootled round, afraid to accelerate even in a straight line. In the afternoon it stuck to the track like I couldn't believe.

I have rather hard P Zero's on though, which wont help I think.
 
Just watched "A Faster Horse" documentary on the 50yrs of the Mustang on Netflix. Was good seeing the love the Yanks have for the car and the lead up to the new model being released last year.
I want a Mustang so bad :(:D
 
Went to the Ford showroom yesterday... took the wife back today... have a test drive booked on some windy roads on Monday afternoon... looking forward to it :)

Any tips on what to look for? Should have a good amount of time to play with the car... I note your post Gibbo re: traction control settings & wheel weight settings.

Looking forward to it, been craving a V8 again for a while now.

A 1 year wait at the moment... that'll be a heck of a wait...

Haven't asked the salesman yet... do you know if you can get the GT350 in Europe or relatively easily ordered to Europe? I'm craving the 5.2L flat plane crank...
 
crinkleshoes said:
Went to the Ford showroom yesterday... took the wife back today... have a test drive booked on some windy roads on Monday afternoon... looking forward to it :)

Any tips on what to look for? Should have a good amount of time to play with the car... I note your post Gibbo re: traction control settings & wheel weight settings.

Looking forward to it, been craving a V8 again for a while now.

A 1 year wait at the moment... that'll be a heck of a wait...

Haven't asked the salesman yet... do you know if you can get the GT350 in Europe or relatively easily ordered to Europe? I'm craving the 5.2L flat plane crank...
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350 is not coming to Europe!

My mate is selling his which is due May but wants 39-40k it's a V8 black manual.

What the video I posted a few replies back with Matt Farreh driving a Mustang running similar mods to mine.

If wet on your drive set it to wet or normal mode and set steering to comfort or normal.

If dry just stick it in race mode once tyres up to temp (35psi). :)
 
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