Need expert advice on building a rig better than the Alienware area 51 threadripper edition.

TallPaul1878 · 27 Feb 2018 at 21:53

MrRockliffe said:
It's per clock/cycle rather than core. It's a measure of how many calculations can be completed for every cycle/clock of the processor (since Hz is a measurement of cycles)

Yea one of those

TallPaul1878 · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:02

He should wait for the i7 9790k. That thing will do 6.2GHz out of the box.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:15

I'll look into that. I also need the best chassis

TallPaul1878 said:
He should wait for the i7 9790k. That thing will do 6.2GHz out of the box.

whens that coming out?

TallPaul1878 said:
Ah. The guy from the Alienware thread.

Honestly, right now, you'd be WAY better off getting one of 8Packs delidded 8700k chips that are guaranteed to hit 5.0GHz than go out and buy a Threadripper for gaming.

Everyone has a budget. Whether it's £600 or £3000+ there is always a better way to spend that amount of money. My advice is to concentrate on the graphics card. Best on the market right now is GTX 1080Ti but consider that in spring we will be expecting the next gen graphics cards so it might be wise to put a placeholder card in until the new ones launch.

Where gaming is concerned, if you are looking at spending £600 on a CPU and £300 on a GPU or £300 on a CPU and £600 on a GPU then the most expensive GPU will grant FAR better gaming experience than the CPU.

Is there really a cpu called the I7 9890k coming out soon?

This is what I got so far in terms of parts data...

Gaming desktop rig parts

Motherboards
Rog Strix Z370 series <----is there anything better than this for?

GPU
(minimum will be a 1080 ti) SLI I wanted before but i hear its not getting much support in the future so a lot of controversy there and I hear theres a new card coming winter?

Hard drive
512GB M.2 PCIe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)

Monitor
(ive done little to no research here)

Memory
32GB Quad Channel DDR4 at 2666MHz
32GB Dual Channel HyperX™ DDR4 XMP at 2933MHz

Cooler
(looking to buy the best thing, I hear air is better than water, is this true?)

Power supply
(Centauri 1500W High Voltage Chassis R6 or 850W) < Im hearing some controversy with watts)

Keyboard
Corsair Strafe RGB, MX-RGB

Mouse

(least of my concerns at the moment.)

Desktop case

(really want the best/ideal case for this rig)

Processor
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper 1950X (16-Core, 40MB Cache, Overclocked up to 3.6GHz on all cores)
Intel Core i7-8700K

So you see, theres a lot I have missing, previous choices i'm looking to replace. If there is anything conflicting please let me know as I'm new to this.

gavinh87 · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:50

Vergil said:
I'll look into that. I also need the best chassis

whens that coming out?

It isn't.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:52

gavinh87 said:
It isn't.

It was a joke?

gavinh87 · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:55

Vergil said:
It was a joke?

Afraid so.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:57

gavinh87 said:
Afraid so.

Shame.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 22:59

So the I7-8700k is the best thing at the moment then? Whens the next better one coming out if anyone knows?

gavinh87 · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:07

Not for a while yet. And when it does the extra 2 cores are unlikely to have a big effect in games.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:20

gavinh87 said:
Not for a while yet. And when it does the extra 2 cores are unlikely to have a big effect in games.

Ok good to know.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:33

Need the best cooler for this rig setup

Motherboards
Rog Strix Z370 series <----is there anything better than this for?

GPU
(minimum will be a 1080 ti) SLI I wanted before but i hear its not getting much support in the future so a lot of controversy there and I hear theres a new card coming winter?

Hard drive
512GB M.2 PCIe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)

Monitor
(ive done little to no research here)

Memory
32GB Quad Channel DDR4 at 2666MHz
32GB Dual Channel HyperX™ DDR4 XMP at 2933MHz

Cooler
(looking to buy the best thing, I hear air is better than water, is this true?)

Power supply
(Centauri 1500W High Voltage Chassis R6 or 850W) < Im hearing some controversy with watts)

Keyboard
Corsair Strafe RGB, MX-RGB

Mouse

(least of my concerns at the moment.)

Desktop case

(really want the best/ideal case for this rig)

Processor
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper 1950X (16-Core, 40MB Cache, Overclocked up to 3.6GHz on all cores)
Intel Core i7-8700K

So you see, theres a lot I have missing, previous choices i'm looking to replace. If there is anything conflicting please let me know as I'm new to this.

humbug · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:35

TallPaul1878 said:
Ah. The guy from the Alienware thread.

Honestly, right now, you'd be WAY better off getting one of 8Packs delidded 8700k chips that are guaranteed to hit 5.0GHz than go out and buy a Threadripper for gaming.

Everyone has a budget. Whether it's £600 or £3000+ there is always a better way to spend that amount of money. My advice is to concentrate on the graphics card. Best on the market right now is GTX 1080Ti but consider that in spring we will be expecting the next gen graphics cards so it might be wise to put a placeholder card in until the new ones launch.

Where gaming is concerned, if you are looking at spending £600 on a CPU and £300 on a GPU or £300 on a CPU and £600 on a GPU then the most expensive GPU will grant FAR better gaming experience than the CPU.

This, its idiotic to put everything into the CPU when the CPU makes little difference, especially if you're not getting an £800 GPU, the best CPU will make no difference from one costing half as much.

A GTX 1070 with a Ryzen 1600 has much higher gaming performance than a GTX 1060 with an 8700K.

As long as the CPU is actually a slow one the only thing that matters is the GPU.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:42

humbug said:
This, its idiotic to put everything into the CPU when the CPU makes little difference, especially if you're not getting an £800 GPU, the best CPU will make no difference from one costing half as much.

A GTX 1070 with a Ryzen 1600 has much higher gaming performance than a GTX 1060 with an 8700K.

As long as the CPU is actually a slow one the only thing that matters is the GPU.

Im preping for future too, heres the data i got so far.

Motherboards
Rog Strix Z370 series <----is there anything better than this for?

GPU
(minimum will be a 1080 ti) SLI I wanted before but i hear its not getting much support in the future so a lot of controversy there and I hear theres a new card coming winter?

Hard drive
512GB M.2 PCIe SSD (Boot) + 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)

Monitor
(ive done little to no research here)

Memory
32GB Quad Channel DDR4 at 2666MHz
32GB Dual Channel HyperX™ DDR4 XMP at 2933MHz

Cooler
(looking to buy the best thing, I hear air is better than water, is this true?)

Power supply
(Centauri 1500W High Voltage Chassis R6 or 850W) < Im hearing some controversy with watts)

Keyboard
Corsair Strafe RGB, MX-RGB

Mouse

(least of my concerns at the moment.)

Desktop case

(really want the best/ideal case for this rig)

Processor
AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper 1950X (16-Core, 40MB Cache, Overclocked up to 3.6GHz on all cores)
Intel Core i7-8700K

So you see, theres a lot I have missing, previous choices i'm looking to replace. If there is anything conflicting please let me know as I'm new to this.

UnworthyBean · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:46

Vergil said:
Cooler
(looking to buy the best thing, I hear air is better than water, is this true?)

Can't offer a massive amount of help but the reason this is mostly said is because a high end air cooler is usually better than most of the AIOs on the market. Maybe not in outright performance but better when considering noise/performance/cost

If you're after the best cooling, then a custom water loop is the way to go. However a high end air cooler will perform more than adequately.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:49

UnworthyBean said:
Can't offer a massive amount of help but the reason this is mostly said is because a high end air cooler is usually better than most of the AIOs on the market. Maybe not in outright performance but better when considering noise/performance/cost

If you're after the best cooling, then a custom water loop is the way to go. However a high end air cooler will perform more than adequately.

Im after the best cooling so tell me the name of this thing so i can look it up.

humbug · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:50

The 1950X has 16 cores 32 threads, its massive overkill and the 8700K would be better for gaming because it has higher clock rates, the 1950X is for productivity workloads.

Right now the 8700K is the best CPU to pair with a 1080TI, anything less than that i would recommend a Ryzen 1700 or a 1600, spend the difference on an M.2 drive or something.

However, Ryzen 2 is out in a few weeks, i think you should wait until then.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:52

humbug said:
The 1950X has 16 cores 32 threads, its massive overkill and the 8700K would be better for gaming because it has higher clock rates, the 1950X is for productivity workloads.

Right now the 8700K is the best CPU to pair with a 1080TI, anything less than that i would recommend a Ryzen 1700 or a 1600, spend the difference on an M.2 driver or something.

However, Ryzen 2 is out in a few weeks, i think you should wait until then.

so you're saying the Ryzen 2 is going to be better than the I7 8700k? And if so, completely in every way?

humbug · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:54

Vergil said:
so you're saying the Ryzen 2 is going to be better than the I7 8700k? And if so, completely in every way?

No, we don't yet know how good, or bad its going to be, but if its good an 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 2 would be better future proofing than a 6 core 12 thread 8700K.

I'm saying wait and see.

Vergil · 27 Feb 2018 at 23:57

humbug said:
No, we don't yet know how good, or bad its going to be, but if its good an 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 2 would be better future proofing than a 6 core 12 thread 8700K.

I'm saying wait and see.

Ok, but what about the motherboard? is the one I suggested the best one?

humbug · 28 Feb 2018 at 00:00

Vergil said:
Ok, but what about the motherboard? is the one I suggested the best one?

If you are waiting.... then you also have to wait on the motherboard given that Ryzen and Intel don't use the same boards.

If you're not going to wait the ROG Strix Z370 is a good board.