Need for Speed Shift - Time Trial Championship ** Season 3 ** (Multiplatform)

I don't brake on that bit Merlin.
5th gear (maybe drop to 4th before the first turn) - Get over to the left on the down slope, off throttle - flick right and almost immediately back on throttle flick left. Drop to 4th for the next sequence.
It's a bit tricky to get right consistently hence the state of the cars at the end.
The off throttle flick - back on throttle flick technique used keeps the back end from sliding out, as you, like me have experienced.
As you come down the slope the car is evenly balanced. The problem we face is the initial turn is at the point the track levels out. At this point the weight transfers to the front of the car making the rear light & very loose. If you brake whilst turning at this point the rear will become even looser & lose contact (i.e. endo on a bike when you lean forward whilst applying the front brake) with the ground & spin out. This is why we don't brake. Instead you minimise throttle (or off completely) whilst negotiating the initial turn.
Note: Don't misunderstand me, the rear is still light here, but importantly is still in contact with the ground because no braking has taken place. There's still a chance the rear will spin out though, just a lesser one.
To stop the rear spinning out we use the FWD to force the rear to follow the front, straighten up. This is only possible with FWD cars.
Once you've made the initial turn you need to apply FULL throttle (drop to 4th if it helps) whilst turning in the opposite direction which just so happens to be where we want to go.

Here's a clip of what I'm sort of talking about. You couldn't achieve this RWD
 
Merlin5 said:
Thanks mercyless and nikaz, I'm on stiff sway now and changed final gears to 2 notches left from centre. I'll give that technique a go nikaz.

Is this what you mean?
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The bit right after, I've been cutting across the grass and picking up the racing line again, is that what you're doing or are you sticking rigidly to the line?

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Yes, i should have explained better, try as nikaz said

I'm cutting the grass a touch here, again, the off/med and on gas plays here to keep the momentum.
 
Merlin5 said:
Thanks mercyless and nikaz, I'm on stiff sway now and changed final gears to 2 notches left from centre. I'll give that technique a go nikaz.

Is this what you mean?
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Yeah that's about right

The bit right after, I've been cutting across the grass and picking up the racing line again, is that what you're doing or are you sticking rigidly to the line?

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I stick to the track. But if you're still accelerating cutting the corner then that's probably OK as well
 
Ah well, I can't really do it. :(
Did it once or twice but couldn't keep the car under control very well after that

edit: oh, I'm getting the hang of it now. Still can't improve my time though. Must be too slow on those other hairpins.
 
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Merlin5 said:
Ah well, I can't really do it. :(
Did it once or twice but couldn't keep the car under control very well after that
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Yeah it's quite tricky Merlin.
If you want to brake make sure you brake in a straight line on the down slope well before the turn in. Then off the brake as you make the turn.
Also you could try a couple of tuning tweaks to the dampers.
Tip - Don't listen to the Tuning Guide Guy - Read the text associated with the setting instead.
On the rear damper settings (Rear Slow/Fast Bump - Rear Slow/Fast Rebound) change them to promote Understeer, opposite of 'Good for tighter tracks'. This may help the rear from stepping out. If it causes the slower corners (hairpins) to be hard to get the car round, you've always the handbrake to assist.
 
Into 53's as well!!!!!!1
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I'll try those settings later Nikaz. It's not too bad at the moment, it's more a case for me of avoiding those blue boxes. Ah well, finally, some progress. :)


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Hey chaps, been really busy lately, so missed last weeks, although i did manage some laps with the Zonda, but was suspended from the forums for a MM infringment over friday and saturday so could not post my time...doh!

Anyho glad to see a front wheel drive car this week...look out ;)


Website now upto date ;)
 
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Your in trouble this week lads, first session with a little tuning.

tyres - 30sh
sway - stiff
max downforce
max brake ducts

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Welcome back wedge:)

Try as I might, I can't even get my last laptime anymore, let alone lower.

Is the best laptime only possible on the second or later lap or can it be done on the first lap, ie, you guys who have under 54 seconds. What I mean is, since you have to brake down to 2nd or 3rd as you arrive at the point (the tight righthand hairpin) where the time attack is about to start for the second lap, there's no extra speed momentum, so it's exactly the same speed as starting the first lap, is that right?
 
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Merlin5 said:
Welcome back wedge:)

Try as I might, I can't even get my last laptime anymore, let alone lower.

Is the best laptime only possible on the second or later lap or can it be done on the first lap, ie, you guys who have under 54 seconds. What I mean is, since you have to brake down to 2nd or 3rd as you arrive at the point (the tight righthand hairpin) where the time attack is about to start for the second lap, there's no extra speed momentum, so it's exactly the same speed as starting the first lap, is that right?
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Yeah you're right Merlin. It's one of the few tracks where you can achieve your fastest time on the first lap for the reason you sight.
 
NIKAZ said:
Yeah you're right Merlin. It's one of the few tracks where you can achieve your fastest time on the first lap for the reason you sight.
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Thanks for confirmation of that Nikaz.

Regarding that thing we talked about on where we don't brake, I can get it fairly decent now. But what I wanted to ask is, I've seen videos of people in other cars where they're fully down on the gas a bit later into the redline before coming off and then on it again. For me to get the car to negotiate the turns, I have to pretty much coast (I'm in 5th) from the very moment I hit the brow before it goes downhill. Just wnated to know if you're doing the same, or if you're foot down till later? If I leave it a moment later before coming off the gas, there's no way the car makes it.
 
Merlin5 said:
Thanks for confirmation of that Nikaz.

Regarding that thing we talked about on where we don't brake, I can get it fairly decent now. But what I wanted to ask is, I've seen videos of people in other cars where they're fully down on the gas a bit later into the redline before coming off and then on it again. For me to get the car to negotiate the turns, I have to pretty much coast (I'm in 5th) from the very moment I hit the brow before it goes downhill. Just wnated to know if you're doing the same, or if you're foot down till later? If I leave it a moment later before coming off the gas, there's no way the car makes it.
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I don't coast as such, I use about 30% throttle in 5th. You can try & start lining the car up on the down slope to straighten the 'S' bend as much as you can to minimise the turning angle. A little issue with this approach is you can run wide on the exit making it difficult to get the good line you need for the next sequence.

My lap times are all over the place on this combo Merlin. I commonly hit around the mid to high 54's, maybe hot low 54's once in every 4-5 laps. I've managed 53's only three times I think. The thing is, you don't 'feel' that your on a fast lap, you cross the line & surprise surprise you've gotten a fast time. This suggests to me that I'm making the time up in the slow hairpin corners, not so much the mini corkscrew.
 
NIKAZ said:
I don't coast as such, I use about 30% throttle in 5th. You can try & start lining the car up on the down slope to straighten the 'S' bend as much as you can to minimise the turning angle. A little issue with this approach is you can run wide on the exit making it difficult to get the good line you need for the next sequence.

My lap times are all over the place on this combo Merlin. I commonly hit around the mid to high 54's, maybe hot low 54's once in every 4-5 laps. I've managed 53's only three times I think. The thing is, you don't 'feel' that your on a fast lap, you cross the line & surprise surprise you've gotten a fast time. This suggests to me that I'm making the time up in the slow hairpin corners, not so much the mini corkscrew.
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Interesting to hear that nikaz. Yeah, I've found tonight that when I take a lap with a more relaxed approach, where it feels slower and not frantic, I've hit slightly better times, albeit still late 54's. Yes, I also think I need to perfect the hairpins more to reduce the time. I'm trying to get them more flowing and continuous like the guy in this video, although obviously, his car is a different animal. But I do wonder if I can turn the hairpins as fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03IeRrdc7JA
 
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