Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

[Felon]

Am I incorrect in saying a BNG is acting as an LNS ? What is the difference with a BNG terminating lets say PPP connections compared to an LNS ?

AFAIK, BNG is basically a generic term for what used to be called a BRAS or LNS (which are both essentially the same thing) I think the thing is, traditionally everything would be done over L2TP tunnels, which is why it was called an LNS, (L2TP network server), (think old Cisco 7200s connecting to BT with ATM).

However today, MPLS Pseudowires or things like PWHT (Psuedowire headend termination) might be used instead of L2TP, so the end device (BNG) is still terminating PPPoE sessions, just not using traditional L2TP, so the term has generally changed to call it a BNG, to better reflect the different types of access technology available, rather than everything relying solely on L2TP.

Cisco's take on it, if you're interested; https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/do...-cg52xasr9k/b-bng-cg52xasr9k_chapter_010.html

 

[jpaul]

R4 today on monday they had asked if the rollout of the disney streaming service might be delayed for network bandwidth issues (although could be a benefit to home bound children)

Isn't a possible motivation for netflix just reliability on the Amazon aws servers, which, will have some redundancy, but ultimately rely on, well, humans, to maintain them.
Ocado/Waitrose web-site did go down , was that, lack of scaling capacity (shared aws servers with netflix??? does the 'building' have servers dedicated to particular clients) , or software.

 

[adam cool dude]

I understand but if Netflix are having to reduce the service then surely they need to refund the difference. Me personally I will cancel everything anyway if things get bad as Mortgage payments are top priority.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I understand but if Netflix are having to reduce the service then surely they need to refund the difference. Me personally I will cancel everything anyway if things get bad as Mortgage payments are top priority.

which is what I posted in OP but people seem to think that means your entitled and don't care about people dying.

All i said was if they are going to reduce by 25% they should compensate customers accordingly.

 

[malachi]

I know a few people that have been pretty badly with what's going on already; lost jobs, business in turmoil or preparing for 24hr shifts at the hospital etc. But ok, Mr Entitled wants to whinge about a slightly worse picture quality on Netflix .

But lets be honest, if you are paying for a service. You expect to get it, world crisis or not. Netflix is still profiting as they are not adjusting their prices yet dropping the quality for the higher paid tier. I'm sure Reed Hastings doesn't care about COVID-19, it killing people, people loosing their jobs. As long as hes still making money from Netflix subscribers.

 

[Scottland]

But lets be honest, if you are paying for a service. You expect to get it, world crisis or not. Netflix is still profiting as they are not adjusting their prices yet dropping the quality for the higher paid tier. I'm sure Reed Hastings doesn't care about COVID-19, it killing people, people loosing their jobs. As long as hes still making money from Netflix subscribers.

I'm going to agree to disagree here, a small-ish drop in quality to ease the burden on the networks for a temporary time isn't a problem.

 

[james.miller]

I'm going to agree to disagree here, a small-ish drop in quality to ease the burden on the networks for a temporary time isn't a problem.

Absolutely. We know why Netflix are doing it - it's already been said. In doing so they are trying to maintain their near-100% uptime and availability of content. Just how much money off would you expect for a temporary drop in visual fidelity? Is it even worth worrying about ?

 

[ubersonic]

How can you be angry at this??

I was thinking they should do this yesterday

He should be angry about it, everyone should!

Netflix have two options here:
A: Reduce quality by 25% for a month.
B: Reduce quality by 25% and give everyone a 25% discount for the month.

They are taking option A because they think they can just take everyone for a ride and they will fall in line because greater good/etc, they are essentially profiting off peoples good nature. And the amount of people mocking the OP for getting upset at being taken for a ride kinda shows they are right to think they can get away with it

 

[Stumble Bum]

I'm going to agree to disagree here, a small-ish drop in quality to ease the burden on the networks for a temporary time isn't a problem.

But do you not think they should charge 25% less??
Just think how many new subscriptions they'll be getting as a result of this virus.

 

[james.miller]

It's a 25% reduction in bandwidth, not quality and no (planned) drop in uptime or the selection of media. No, a 25% reduction in cost is not a proportionate demand to make.

 

[Dis86]

It's a 25% reduction in bandwidth, not quality and no (planned) drop in uptime or the selection of media. No, a 25% reduction in cost is not a proportionate demand to make.

"The video-streaming provider said lowering the picture quality would reduce Netflix data consumption by 25%."

Erm...Netflix themselves disagree with you there.

 

[james.miller]

"The video-streaming provider said lowering the picture quality would reduce Netflix data consumption by 25%."

Erm...Netflix themselves disagree with you there.

bandwidth (the data consumption) and quality (fidelity) are two different things. You know how compression works, right?

 

[Dis86]

bandwidth (the data consumption) and quality (fidelity) are two different things. You know how compression works, right?

Netflix literally said they're cutting picture quality by 25% and you're trying to argue that they're not cutting quality?

 

[james.miller]

they said they were reducing the data consumption by 25%, not the quality. Eurgh. You're reading it wrong. and i never said they weren't cutting quality. You're reading that wrong, too.

There isn't a 1:1 relationship between bitrate and quality when it comes to compression. The actual drop in fidelity will be lower than the drop in bitrate. to a point, anyway.

Regardless, just wait and see. I bet most people wont even notice it.

 

[Stumble Bum]

they said they were reducing the data consumption by 25%, not the quality. Eurgh. You're reading it wrong. and i never said they weren't cutting quality. You're reading that wrong, too.

There isn't a 1:1 relationship between bitrate and quality when it comes to compression. The actual drop in fidelity will be lower than the drop in bitrate. to a point, anyway.

Regardless, just wait and see. I bet most people wont even notice it.

I'm watching the grainiest Lord of the Rings I've ever watched. Trust me, a 25% reduction in price is the minimum they should be offering. It looks very grainy. This is why piracy is a thing. I can download in full HD for free or pay to legally watch it in grainy quality.... hmm decisions decisions.

 

[.Lethal]

He should be angry about it, everyone should!

Netflix have two options here:
A: Reduce quality by 25% for a month.
B: Reduce quality by 25% and give everyone a 25% discount for the month.

They are taking option A because they think they can just take everyone for a ride and they will fall in line because greater good/etc, they are essentially profiting off peoples good nature. And the amount of people mocking the OP for getting upset at being taken for a ride kinda shows they are right to think they can get away with it

Remove 25% of the content and delay all the upcoming shows and then you might have something to whinge about. Too bad they haven't left things as they were, then when your content isn't streamed we could have seen yet more crying about how they didn't do anything about it.

 

[.Lethal]

Dupe post

 

[Dis86]

they said they were reducing the data consumption by 25%, not the quality. Eurgh. You're reading it wrong. and i never said they weren't cutting quality. You're reading that wrong, too.

It's a 25% reduction in bandwidth, not quality and no (planned) drop in uptime or the selection of media. No, a 25% reduction in cost is not a proportionate demand to make.

U wot m8?

Suggest you read the quote from Netflix in the OP where Netflix state it's a 25% quality cut.

 

[ubersonic]

Remove 25% of the content and delay all the upcoming shows

That wouldn't have any effect on bandwidth utilisation, which is the reason they have to do this.

 

[Stumble Bum]

Remove 25% of the content and delay all the upcoming shows and then you might have something to whinge about. Too bad they haven't left things as they were, then when your content isn't streamed we could have seen yet more crying about how they didn't do anything about it.

I don't think you get it, most people are fine with the fact they have had to reduce the quality by circa 25%. But why should they still charge 100% of the fee for 75% of the service.

 

[.Lethal]

That wouldn't have any effect on bandwidth utilisation, which is the reason they have to do this.

Of course not, and you'll still continue to receive said good selection of media to watch without any issues. If you're bothered by Netflix's decision to reduce data consumption in order to continue providing a smooth service then you're free to unsubscribe.

 

[englishpremier]

You really need to think about the bigger picture here, this isn't a time for selfishness

It's not really selfish, it's up to ISPs to provide enough bandwidth. Netflix shouldn't have to do anything.