Netgears new VDSL / ADSL Modem Router with AC wireless (D6400)

bitsNbobs said:
Id personally save the hassle of hoping for firmwares that work properly with G.INP and future vectoring and avoid lantiq chipsets all together :D

The ECI openreach modems you refer to and homehub 5A devices are lantiq just like the TP-Link W9980, infact those 3 are the exact same chipset, that being the Lantiq VRX-268 chipset. The TP-Link managhes to support it via bitloading modification script in the newest firmware, the ECI and HH5A from Openreach though are basically (IMO) doomed to never support it at all.

NO Lantiq VRX-xxx chipset AFAIK has supported G.INP out of the box (by that i mean when devices were released). Some of them also do not support vectoring which is worth having as that will likely be deployed over the next couple of years. BCM63168 BCM63268 and BCM 6368 chipsets all support G.INP even on their earliest xDSL driver revisions, there has been NO device that uses those chipsets which has not supported it or needed firmware updates. Even the Homehub 5B (broadcom chipset) supports it out of the box, though thats a bug ridden mess itself (NOBODY buy one of them unless you want bug ridden junk which crashes :D)
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I know they are the same but they are one of the ones that either a) will never support it like the modem or b) like the HH5 highly unlikely to support it, this has already been written about a thousand times already.

Regardless of your personal non expert opinion or how they have managed to get them to work the Lantiq chipset devices are mostly working and they still have the benefit of working better than the Broadcom devices on longer lines, this has been proven by people with the actual test equipment to prove it.

Does it mean I would still buy Lantiq over Broadcom, probably not as all my Broadcom devices have always performed better for me and every time I have strayed from Broadcom I have regretted it, however credit should be given where it is due, regardless of personal opinion.

I am not a fan of Draytek but I still have to acknowledge the simple fact that they have got there Lantiq based 2860 and 130 working with G.INP and Vectoring and they have got it working well and fast. Less issues than the ASUS devices :P

You where the one in other threads saying you would buy Draytek if you had the money and they use Lantiq, so do you a) Really not like Lantiq or b) Just not like the other manufacturers who have poorly implemented it.

Also if Netgear produce a D7000 with Broadcom and a D7800 with Lantiq, they must have some level of faith in Lantiq for a premium device.
 
mjgr33n said:
I know they are the same but they are one of the ones that either a) will never support it like the modem or b) like the HH5 highly unlikely to support it, this has already been written about a thousand times already.
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Indeed and thats the point there is no way to know if a new lantiq based device will support G.INP out of the box or if it will ever be upgraded to do so.
mjgr33n said:
Regardless of your personal non expert opinion or how they have managed to get them to work the Lantiq chipset devices are mostly working and they still have the benefit of working better than the Broadcom devices on longer lines, this has been proven by people with the actual test equipment to prove it.
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It has also been proven on kitz (so not my 'non' expert opinion) the Tplink W9980 only manages to do it with a script extension to the dsl driver. DSM commands added (AKA Digital Spectrum Management), so technically speaking while they have got it to work the chipset and driver never did have the functionality, the have used additional software/code in addition to the lantiq base code in which to do it. That means you are totally dependant on the manufacturer, if it was an asus ;) and a few others i can think of i wouldnt rely on them to come up with a clever but ghetto solution.
mjgr33n said:
Does it mean I would still buy Lantiq over Broadcom, probably not as all my Broadcom devices have always performed better for me and every time I have strayed from Broadcom I have regretted it, however credit should be given where it is due, regardless of personal opinion.
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Its not personal opinion Lantiq devices ALL OF THEM have had issues with G.INP, some may now be working but if im gonna spend £200 or as near as on a device ill go with one that does the job from the outset. Im happy to admit i am wrong if you can point to a lantiq device that supported G.INP out of the box on its FIRST firmware revision, all broadcom 6368 and 63168 devices AFAIK did. Maybe the new Netgear wil be an exception, it darn well should now other manufacturers have had time to see how others have worked round the issue.
mjgr33n said:
I am not a fan of Draytek but I still have to acknowledge the simple fact that they have got there Lantiq based 2860 and 130 working with G.INP and Vectoring and they have got it working well and fast. Less issues than the ASUS devices :P
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Everything has less issues than the asus :D
mjgr33n said:
You where the one in other threads saying you would buy Draytek if you had the money and they use Lantiq, so do you a) Really not like Lantiq or b) Just not like the other manufacturers who have poorly implemented it.
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I dont believe from memory i ever stated any such thing and if i did it id like to see that post because if i did say that i can almost guarantee it was before G.INP ever even entered the wild. IF it wasnt i must have been having a brain fart day.
mjgr33n said:
Also if Netgear produce a D7000 with Broadcom and a D7800 with Lantiq, they must have some level of faith in Lantiq for a premium device.
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Or maybe its just because their AC2xxx and AC3xxx devices AFAIK already use non broadcom chipsets, and only those upto AC1900 use broadcom. All they basically do is add a modem chipset to a current device which is compatible with the chipset in it currently. Some do that better than others which is why asus routers are superb but their combined modem/routers are garbage.
 
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bitsNbobs said:
I dont believe from memory i ever stated any such thing and if i did it id like to see that post because if i did say that i can almost guarantee it was before G.INP ever even entered the wild. IF it wasnt i must have been having a brain fart day.
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It was in the ASUS thread, you said if you had the money you would buy Draytek or Juniper, you may have been referring to non combined router for all I know though :P Brain farts are allowed )))

I know you seem to want to be right about Lantiq, but no matter what they have done to get them to work they still are very good on long distance lines, but it is true I would probably never buy them, so although I do agree partly with you, I don't want to scare people off from buying them if they have a long distance line and a lot of these threads can scare people off from buying something that maybe good for them.
 
On a more D6400 note -

My line has changed from G.INP on both up and downstream to now being only G.INP on downstream and fastpath on the upstream.

Code: 
Stats recorded 24 Jun 2015 22:20:21

DSLAM/MSAN type:        	BDCM:0xa485 / v0xa485
Modem/router firmware:  	AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode:               	VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                 	Showtime
Uptime:                 	
Resyncs:                	0 (since 24 Jun 2015 22:18:19)
			
				Downstream	Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  	9.4		0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):	Not monitored		
Connection speed (kbps):	79999		19999
SNR margin (dB):        	13.6		16.2
Power (dBm):            	12.9		-4.9
Interleave depth:       	16		1
INP:                    	48.00		0
G.INP:                  	Enabled		

RSCorr/RS (%):          	0.0001		0.1848
RSUnCorr/RS (%):        	0.0000		0.0000
ES/hour:                	0		0

Code: 
adslctl info --stats
adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Last Retrain Reason:    0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 31933 Kbps, Downstream rate = 110600 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        13.6            16.2
Attn(dB):        9.4             0.0
Pwr(dBm):        12.9           -4.9

                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              26
B:              130             237
M:              1               1
T:              0               42
R:              8               16
S:              0.0518          0.3781
L:              21468           5374
D:              16              1
I:              139             127
N:              139             254
Q:              16              0
V:              14              0
RxQueue:                60              0
TxQueue:                20              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         20              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           186             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              5.3333          0.0000
L:              48              0
D:              3               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               2614499
OHFErr:         0               980
RS:             3420070512              2587582
RSCorr:         2789            4783
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            23624715                0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             283495844               0
RSCorr:         418             0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         82288           0
rtx_c:          423             0
rtx_uc:         0               0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         1               0
minEFTR:        79999           0
errFreeBits:    463011632               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    2545245805              0
Data Cells:     2433695854              0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             0               860
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
AS:             379476

                        Bearer 0
INP:            48.00           0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            3.98
OR:             0.01            64.22
AgR:            80614.82        20063.54

                        Bearer 1
INP:            4.00            0.00
INPRein:        4.00            0.00
delay:          3               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             95.62           0.01
AgR:            95.62   0.01

Bitswap:        223/223         129/129

Total time = 4 days 9 hours 25 min 6 sec
FEC:            2789            4783
CRC:            0               980
ES:             0               860
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 10 min 6 sec
FEC:            0               1
CRC:            0               2
ES:             0               3
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            0               15
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 9 hours 25 min 6 sec
FEC:            189             231
CRC:            0               54
ES:             0               50
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            289             828
CRC:            0               235
ES:             0               205
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 4 days 9 hours 24 min 35 sec
FEC:            2789            4783
CRC:            0               980
ES:             0               860
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
NTR: mipsCntAtNtr=0 ncoCntAtNtr=0
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That's good! Is this not what people are calling g.inp 2 rollout where they are removing g.inp on the upstream? Has it made any noticeable differences or only noticed in the stats?
 
I wondered if anyone has got this working for plusnet and also plusnet IPTV? I have a Billion 8800AXL which has been very sketchy of late and I want to replace it with this.
 
Ah ok - when you set this up on plusnet did it walk you through selecting plusnet as the ISP etc?

Sorry for the questions - I had a nightmare setting up the Billion and figured I would have the same problem with any new one!

Rick.
 
Yeah, just select PlusNet as the preconfigured ISP and put in your user/password. Took a few minutes to lock the Fibre connection initially but not much tweaking of settings required after that.
 
Can't recall seeing a specific IPTV option.

Apart from possible QoS configuration what options would you expect to see for IPTV?
 
Just to get it up and running, I am basing these questions on the nightmare I had setting up both plusnet and plusnet IPTV with the Billion. Fortunately they have a UK call centre and walked me through it.
 
michty_me said:
That's good! Is this not what people are calling g.inp 2 rollout where they are removing g.inp on the upstream? Has it made any noticeable differences or only noticed in the stats?
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Pings are slightly lower by about 1ms, but that is it, unless BT start letting us use the full bandwidth over 80/20 doubt I will see much difference )) :P
 
I just purchased a Netgear d6400 and I'm quite disappointed.

My config: TalkTalk 38MB fibre (FTTC), MacBook Pro (2010), iPhone 6.

I previously had a Belkin ASDL (pre fibre), then the supplied TalkTalk Super Router (post fibre).

Download speed is OK (37MB) only if I'm next to the router. As soon as I go further away the speed drops immensely (even in clear line of sight).
To the extent that I cannot longer surf from the garden. The garden is around 8 meters away from the Netgear router. The other modems/routers did cope just well, a lot better. I was able to surf from the fence (of the garden) which is a lot further out.

I tested both 2.4 and 5GHz, both have the same issue.

Tried firmware update but no updates available. The thing is I don't have time to tinker with this kit, it should work as advertised. AC1300? no way, I can barely do 5MB at 8 meters away (but goes 100% fine when am next to the router). How can a £149 modem router work so badly out of the box?

Any help is greatly appreciated...
 
parajba said:
AC1300? no way, I can barely do 5MB at 8 meters away (but goes 100% fine when am next to the router). How can a £149 modem router work so badly out of the box?

Any help is greatly appreciated...
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What device are you using to test the wireless speeds?
Laptop and tablet makers are notorious for using the cheapest antenna configuration (1x1) while plastering their product pages with the fastest theoretical speeds for the connection that ultimately are unachievable.

My Dell Venue 8 Pro is pretty much unusable on the Wireless AC network (transfer speed is completely inconsistent) but is fine on the Wireless N. Whereas my Nokia Lumia 930 is fine on the Wireless AC from 12+ metres away.
 
Evilpaul said:
What device are you using to test the wireless speeds?
Laptop and tablet makers are notorious for using the cheapest antenna configuration (1x1) while plastering their product pages with the fastest theoretical speeds for the connection that ultimately are unachievable.

My Dell Venue 8 Pro is pretty much unusable on the Wireless AC network (transfer speed is completely inconsistent) but is fine on the Wireless N. Whereas my Nokia Lumia 930 is fine on the Wireless AC from 12+ metres away.
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I'm using a MacBook Pro from 2010 (802.11 a/b/g/n) and an iPhone 6 (a/b/g/n/ac).

The thing is that it was way better with my old router. This Netgear seems pretty rubbish, let alone for £149!
 
I'm not sure about a MacBook Pro from 2010, but the iPhone 6 should have a decent wireless antenna.

One thing to check is the router wireless settings in the advanced options. I did notice that one of the wireless frequencies was not set to the maximum speed (I can't remember if it was AC or N), also the beamforming is disabled by default so enabling that should help.
 
parajba said:
I'm using a MacBook Pro from 2010 (802.11 a/b/g/n) and an iPhone 6 (a/b/g/n/ac).

The thing is that it was way better with my old router. This Netgear seems pretty rubbish, let alone for £149!
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No issues and super fast with my Gigabyte laptop with an Intel 7260 Wireless AC adapter I installed myself, also really fast through a brick cavity 12inch wall.

No issues with my LG G3 on AC or my Dad's Nexus 5 with AC. Also my N only devices like my nVidia Shield Tablet work fine on 2.4 and 5Ghz Wireless N.

You could be extremely naughty and do a brief test and change the region to Australia which will massively increase the power output and see if that helps but be warned it is technically illegal, I would only do it briefly to test whether or not it improves it or not and then put it back, if it improved it a lot you could then report your issue to Netgear and they might be able to tweak something in future firmware for Europe region and your model of adapter.

Ultimately though the only time I saw wireless speeds being low on my laptop was before I did a driver update from the default drivers to the latest intel_proset_wireless_18.0.0.11 ones. Maybe see if there are newer drivers for your wireless card in your Mac.
 
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