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Not sure on a Kuro's black level, but you really can't get any better black levels on an LCD than this Eizo.
New 120Hz/"240Hz" VA monitor for gamers (Eizo Foris FG2421)
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With ~5000:1 contrast the FG2421 realistically achieves a black level of 0.01 at around 50 cd/m2. The best plasmas can of course achieve this sort of result at higher brightness because they don't have a backlight to worry about.
But 50cdm2 is too dim so that is no use! Still 0.3 at 150cdm2 is very good compared to the absolute rubbish contrast from TN and IPS.
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I was just pointing out that saying 'black levels aren't as good as plasma' isn't technically correct at some brightnesses. But at brightnesses most users will want to use you're right, plasma has it bettered. When you compare this to other LCD technologies there is indeed a huge contrast gulf.
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A few days in now and still very happy with it. I noticed a post from the Blurbusters guy about letting it warm up to remove any initial motion blur and have noticed that to be the case for the first round or so in black ops 2.
I remember a couple of years ago when I complained about the poor image quality (or should I say colour vibrancy) of my DELL IPS monitor. People thought I was mad. One guy even had the gall to say that my DELL was defective. Those who own the Eizo (or a good plasma), will understand where I am coming from.
The black levels are so crucial to bring out all the other colours.
The best way to describe IPS vs VA.
IPS image is like ripping the VA image off the screen.
Putting it in a washing machine for 100hrs, with powerful whitening detergent, till the colours have lost vibrancy.
Then sticking that image back onto the screen.
I spent 2 hours trying to get the IPS monitor to display video, like the VA monitor. No matter what setting I used, VA had it beat.
The one area where IPS excels is text reproduction.
My DELL IPS monitor displays text like no other screen I have ever owned. For everything else, VA beats it, by a country mile.
As this is a high end VA monitor, I imagine the quality must be even better than my VA monitor.
The black levels are so crucial to bring out all the other colours.
The best way to describe IPS vs VA.
IPS image is like ripping the VA image off the screen.
Putting it in a washing machine for 100hrs, with powerful whitening detergent, till the colours have lost vibrancy.
Then sticking that image back onto the screen.
I spent 2 hours trying to get the IPS monitor to display video, like the VA monitor. No matter what setting I used, VA had it beat.
The one area where IPS excels is text reproduction.
My DELL IPS monitor displays text like no other screen I have ever owned. For everything else, VA beats it, by a country mile.
As this is a high end VA monitor, I imagine the quality must be even better than my VA monitor.
Well yes but that is the point of contrast ratio.... Using that logic if I turn my IPS screen down to zero brightness then the blacks are pretty good, except everything else is dark...
Yes I have thought this for about 5 years. IPS monitors are good for professional use so the manufacturers make a lot of them I guess. IPS is better than TN so people assume it is really good, but compared to VA or plasma both are bad due to the contrast. I am not interested in any new screen, 4k, 240hz whatever, unless it has good contrast ratio! So I hope we will see more screens like this Eizo soon.
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Well yes but that is the point of contrast ratio.... Using that logic if I turn my IPS screen down to zero brightness then the blacks are pretty good, except everything else is dark...
Look at those black whites!
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Playing some "Outlast" game in the dark. The Eizo's blacks and contrast make dark games amazing. Like when night vision is on, I can barely even tell where the screen borders are in the dark.
You are all two orders of magnitude out regarding black levels of 2013 Panasonic Plasmas.
I have just last week taken delivery of a 55'' ST60 which HDTVTEST measured as:
Calibrated black level (black screen) 0.005 cd/m2
Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard) 0.007 cd/m2
From AV Forums:
The scores on the doors for those that need those numbers – On/Off Contrast is 24,300:1 and ANSI Contrast is 16,431:1
Tell you the truth at first I was underwhelmed by some content. Then of all things I watched family guy on netflix which must have been trasmitting video black (or whatever it's called) the screen then looks OFF, it really is the same to my eye as OLEDs in stores or not far off.
I work in hospitals and Eizos are seen being used by radiologists to report scans/films.
This monitor is EXCITING.
Shame I can't mount on my neoflex arm.
120hz with VA panel technology and better colours than TN is yes yes yes.
Please do either a 27'' or a super wide both with higher resolutions with VESA and I will part my hard-earned.
After seeing my mate's ultrasharp 27'' the colours blew my mind, but I love 120hz and vowed to never go back to 60hz
I assume it works with 3d vision?
And is there a 27" in the works?
Sony and Samsung use VA panels in their TVs. You'd hope sharp do too...?
I have just last week taken delivery of a 55'' ST60 which HDTVTEST measured as:
Calibrated black level (black screen) 0.005 cd/m2
Calibrated black level (ANSI checkerboard) 0.007 cd/m2
From AV Forums:
The scores on the doors for those that need those numbers – On/Off Contrast is 24,300:1 and ANSI Contrast is 16,431:1
Tell you the truth at first I was underwhelmed by some content. Then of all things I watched family guy on netflix which must have been trasmitting video black (or whatever it's called) the screen then looks OFF, it really is the same to my eye as OLEDs in stores or not far off.
I work in hospitals and Eizos are seen being used by radiologists to report scans/films.
This monitor is EXCITING.
Shame I can't mount on my neoflex arm.
120hz with VA panel technology and better colours than TN is yes yes yes.
Please do either a 27'' or a super wide both with higher resolutions with VESA and I will part my hard-earned.
After seeing my mate's ultrasharp 27'' the colours blew my mind, but I love 120hz and vowed to never go back to 60hz
I assume it works with 3d vision?
And is there a 27" in the works?
Sony and Samsung use VA panels in their TVs. You'd hope sharp do too...?
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No 3D Vision unfortunately.
Pretty sure all high end sharp LCD TVs are VA and have been for ages.
I was under the impression that most LCD TVs are still using TN-FILM panels.
Plasma is still better, if you want the best image quality, colour reproduction and black levels.
If you go on various forums, people boast about IPS screens and I'm thinking that perhaps I have slipped into a parallel dimension where VA (LCD) and plasma tech doesnt exist.
Plasma is still better, if you want the best image quality, colour reproduction and black levels.
If you go on various forums, people boast about IPS screens and I'm thinking that perhaps I have slipped into a parallel dimension where VA (LCD) and plasma tech doesnt exist.