New 120Hz/"240Hz" VA monitor for gamers (Eizo Foris FG2421)

Yup im aware of it all mate i spent about two months trawling every video and im prepared to give it a go. I sent u a trust on this a few days ago because i couldnt decide on the Ultrawide 29 inch this Eizo 120hz. The Ultrawide is really wide and has a special look to it i love. But im not sure 75fps minium is enough for me 60fps is killing me currently on some games and makes them unplayable. Im very into my smoothness and black levels and IPS has that washed out anti glare matte i hate sometimes. Eizo has glossy coatings almost and apparantly inky blacks. Yet this would be two times now ive seen on a forum people say they are grey in the dark and not perfect black like the bezel? What gives when this panel has 5000:1 VA and gloss? Others say they are very inky and deep so i cannot make up my mind.


http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1788465&page=5


Read that his look pretty fantastic compared to a Panasonic VT60 plasma!! Was your panel made in Germany or Japan? Because im prepared to find a good one and i have enquired to OCUK about thier batch and origin.


I would probably buy the ultrawide in a heartbeat if i thought i could get along with 75fps. I play by minimums so u can sort of get a feel from that how my gaming is. For example i have yet to play games from a few years like Crysis and i am keeping them in my pocket until Maxwell or 20nm because i was dipping to 55 from 60 and i can notice the 5 fps drop easily. And i just have not had the luxury to buy both monitors and trial out BF4 running at a minimum of 75 compared to running it at 120 on the Eizo or 60 on my current Dell 2007. The main thing is fixing those stuttery titles though because BF4 can leave me feeling a bit disorientated and dizzy after an hour at 60hertz. And i am frame capping at 60 with Afterburner and using Pre-Rendered frames 1 to make sure i get the best feeling possible on single GPU. Which is another weird quirk not only do i put games on the backburner for a year or two due to minimum fps but i simply refuse to go above single card either because i want the smoothness. So i have to factor in is an extra 15fps really going to make all my issues and hates go away.
 
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Rofflay said:
Yup im aware of it all mate i spent about two months trawling every video and im prepared to give it a go. I sent u a trust on this a few days ago because i couldnt decide on the Ultrawide 29 inch this Eizo 120hz. The Ultrawide is really wide and has a special look to it i love. But im not sure 75fps minium is enough for me 60fps is killing me currently on some games and makes them unplayable. Im very into my smoothness and black levels and IPS has that washed out anti glare matte i hate sometimes. Eizo has glossy coatings almost and apparantly inky blacks. Yet this would be two times now ive seen on a forum people say they are grey in the dark and not perfect black like the bezel? What gives when this panel has 5000:1 VA and gloss? Others say they are very inky and deep so i cannot make up my mind.


http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1788465&page=5


Read that his look pretty fantastic compared to a Panasonic VT60 plasma!! Was your panel made in Germany or Japan? Because im prepared to find a good one and i have enquired to OCUK about thier batch and origin.


I would probably buy the ultrawide in a heartbeat if i thought i could get along with 75fps. I play by minimums so u can sort of get a feel from that how my gaming is. For example i have yet to play games from a few years like Crysis and i am keeping them in my pocket until Maxwell or 20nm because i was dipping to 55 from 60 and i can notice the 5 fps drop easily. And i just have not had the luxury to buy both monitors and trial out BF4 running at a minimum of 75 compared to running it at 120 on the Eizo or 60 on my current Dell 2007. The main thing is fixing those stuttery titles though because BF4 can leave me feeling a bit disorientated and dizzy after an hour at 60hertz. And i am frame capping at 60 with Afterburner and using Pre-Rendered frames 1 to make sure i get the best feeling possible on single GPU. Which is another weird quirk not only do i put games on the backburner for a year or two due to minimum fps but i simply refuse to go above single card either because i want the smoothness. So i have to factor in is an extra 15fps really going to make all my issues and hates go away.
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Hi mate

Sorry I missed your trust message. It's to an email account I rarely check these days.

You've got yourself in a right pickle over which monitor to get it seems. You're worse than me :)

If you're a high framerate junkie which it sounds like you are, then you should probably give a 120hz screen a go. You will probably love it. And at this moment in time, the Eizo is technically the best one out there, IF you get a good one.

Just to make you more confused though - is your sig right, and your'e only rocking one 580GTX video card? Not to sound harsh but how on earth are you going to hit a constant 120fps in most games on that? My pair of 780Tis couldn't do it in quite a few!

Or, are you upgrading your GPU(s) too? You should get over your anti SLI stance too bud, I've been using SLI for years, and for most tiltes it's amazing. I am SUPER sensitive to any stutter, or judder, frameskipping etc, and believe me if the game isn't a **** port, or badly coded, SLI is perfect these days.

There is absolutely no point getting a 120hz screen if you don't plan on hitting 120 fps constant.
 
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Thanks bud your the only fussy person who had both!!

I could maybe be tempted to go for a dual card like a 790 if things really struggle and it really is as smooth. Atm i just want to play some BF4 on Ultra/Medium 1080p at 120fps. Don't worry about FPS though that 580 was never in my sig actually it has been for sale on the mm for a month with a new 770.


But there is one problem i did overlook, Totalwar games have notorious RPG cpu requirements when the troop numbers get into 10,000 range. That games even on low will struggle with min fps of 45 or 60 at best. It will be insane to get 120fps minimum so im hoping i dont need a second monitor just for one rpg games. It is going to be horrible running below native res isnt it? Because even 55 on a 60hz panel was enough of a drop for me to say im out!
 
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So what's the end verdict for those who've bought or tried this monitor?
Is it good enough to warrant the price and is the longish input lag/processing time really an issue? (I'd assume the higher refresh rate would make it noticeable)
 
Input lag is noticeable compared to my EV2336W which has 0.6ms.

Motion clarity is amazing as are contrasts and black levels.

QC is shocking. I have had three of these; two back in November and one in July. All of them had glowing right edges on grey colours, defects in the coating (cross hatching as people like to call it) and pixel defects.

I would not entertain this monitor ever again until enough people buy the DuraVision FDF2405W and they can afford to start sticking A panels in the FG2421.
 
Was it provantage made in Japan or Germany? It does not look like there is many left 7-8 here and there with most of the UK. It will probably dissapear into memory after they go. I have one unopened still , I opted to start my DSR so i have 28 days now.


It is either MTFP and open eizo box or pre order ROG and wait until August, Oh decisions decisions. :(
 
I'm very happy with the Eizo, the only thing I don't like is the black crush, though it's in no way, shape or form anything to call a whhhamulance over. The other benefits far outweigh it.

unless you're playing on a LAN then the input lag thing's always going to be secondary to ping anyhow. I haven't noticed any difference in my KD with the Turbo mode on or off, Honestly, I really doubt people's genuine ability to notice 1 or 2 millionths of a second.

The Swift does look very interesting, I ditched my Hazro 27" because of it's 60hz nastiness but I did like the size. I'm waiting off until rev2 or other models start appearing though before making a decision, ideally i'd like a 27" version of the Eizo.
 
Input lag:
"ms" is milliseconds, so it's actually one thousandth of a second. By itself, few milliseconds is indeed unnoticeable. But once they begin to stack up (internet ping, wifi signal transmission, wireless mouse signal transmission, mouse signal polling time, monitor signal transmission, monitor pixel response time) it will make a difference. For FPS games, it's recommended to have less than 16ms monitor input lag. The other lags are usually not so commonly talked about. But yes, ping is the greatest factor for the overall lag. But monitor input lag is the greatest factor that affects VISUAL lag.

Example 1: Low ping, high input lag
In this case there's no lag between your computer and the game server. But you (or rather, your mouse), your computer and your monitor have a lag between them. This means that when you try to aim, the view seems sluggish, meaning your aim doesn't start moving at the same moment you move your mouse, and it won't stop moving when you stop moving your mouse. FPS gaming is not enjoyable, other games might not be so hugely affected.

Example 2: High ping, low input lag
In this case what you're seeing will be fluid and responsive. You can aim easily, and the control is enjoyable and reactive. Though if the game doesn't compensate for ping lag, you might still miss. This compensation means that your game client will send your aiming information to the server, and server will apply it to the "real" action. This is sometimes manifested as odd kills, like if you were sure you safely made it behind cover, but a moment later it tells you were shot, after all. That's because either you and/or your enemy had a high ping, and the server had to fix/fit the action logs together.

If you're playing competitively, then the monitor is not the only thing you should be concerned with: wired internet connection and wired mouse are also recommended, in addition to fast internet speed.

For single player games, and especially non-FPS games, 32ms monitor input lag should still be adequate. Though lower is always better.

And regards the 27":
Yes, indeed. Why isn't there one, after all this time? One reason could be the price, as the 24" was already around £500 (now £400), so the 27" could have climbed to £600+. Another could be that Eizo wants to keep certain level of quality, and they would have had to increase the resolution for 27", so the price would have skyrocketed...
 
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Input lag:
"ms" is milliseconds, so it's actually one thousandth of a second.
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Didn't realise that, thanks for the clarification. I just honestly can't see any real world difference between either mode or even with regards to the BenQ 2411XT I had previously, perhaps I've adjusted my play style without realising it.

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And regards the 27":
Yes, indeed. Why isn't there one, after all this time? One reason could be the price, as the 24" was already around £500 (now £400), so the 27" could have climbed to £600+. Another could be that Eizo wants to keep certain level of quality, and they would have had to increase the resolution for 27", so the price would have skyrocketed...
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Yes I reckon you've nailed it there, cost and manufacturing difficulties.
 
I'm tempted also but what happens if i want to send it back as faulty/DSR, does OCUK provide a pre-paid label or do I have to pay for a courier myself?
 
ANY LCD screen will NOT have completely black blacks when the lights are out, because they all have a backlight which will be putting out more light than the room, unless it was local dimming lCD, but with any ambient light at all 5000:1 contrast should look as black as the bezel, just not when there is no ambient light. Only way to get black blacks with lights out would be OLED as they can turn off individual pixels but do not exist atm.
 
£299 what the deuce?! I paid £359.99 only a week ago or so.Also Nirk is spot on you can see the screenshots around of the Eizo at night and with 5000:1 it still is not bezel black due to no local dimming.


But turn the lights on just a smidge and bam inky blacks where as every other screen out there is silvery/black.
 
Lads just realised i had a EU 2 pin plug all this time from the monitor i got from ocuk :|


Do Eizo bundle a proper UK lead or is it an adaptor does anyone remember?
 
Arcane said:
unless you're playing on a LAN then the input lag thing's always going to be secondary to ping anyhow. I haven't noticed any difference in my KD with the Turbo mode on or off, Honestly, I really doubt people's genuine ability to notice 1 or 2 millionths of a second.
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You have to understand perceivable input lag will vary from person to person. While you might not notice it or even find hard to understand - this monitor does have some input lag. I would not waste my time posting this information just for the sake of it. Anyway for some gamers its an issue and for others its not something that is even considered. Before I got invested into CS:GO it was not something I really thought much about. I purchased monitors based on image quality and resolution. I used to own a 30" Samsung 305T+ and that thing was sluggish, never bothered me at the time. Now I would not even dream of using something like that as a gaming monitor.

The FG2421 does have some negligible lag but the high refresh and motion clarity works in your favour. Compared to my EV2336W with its insanely low lag I could notice it. Now when I first tried the FG2421 back in November my monitor before this was more sluggish, I even told people on internet forums that the input lag from the FG2421 would not be a problem for gamers so I can see your way of thinking. However having experienced an LCD as snappy as the EV2336W - even at its native 60Hz - I could tell.

It might be a problem for some gamers. Depends what they are coming from and how picky they are. I would say its not worth getting ones knickers in a twist over considering the motion clarity and contrasts this bad boy has - i'd take the minor input lag as long as the panels were more uniform and defect free. Anyway the CS:GO at Dreamhack this year all the contestants were using FG2421's on stage and these guys are pro's. Like I said - not something that's worth worrying about for most.
 
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Does it not have a kettle lead input? Like the 3 prongs that PSU's usually have?
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Nope just a 2 prong which i assume is the Euro plug? Two pins and one hole? Funny enough the way Eizo package the monitor too is with the carry handles opening and in there stored cables. So if you wanted too, Just put a finger in and pull out the bag i guess.


But yea damm i was getting around to finally taking a look at it and realised when i opened up the bag with plug,dp lead etc. Hopefully OCUK post be the proper UK lead and i can get around to using it.
 
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It comes with a proper UK lead.
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Mate ive been told by OCUK support it should be an adaptor? Are you 100% it should be a lead because i dont want to get fobbed off. Im already getting told i had 14 days under DSR when my email says 28.


Typical.... I cannot even use the monitor to test the picture and they are asking me if i want to keep it. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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