New and shocking footage of British troops torturing Iraqis...

cleanbluesky · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:22

I cant be bothered with the vendetta rubbish, I don't know what these people are after but I seriously doubt they will get it - I don't even usually give them attention let alone anything else...

Its just strange how it happens so consistently. It is as if you, I and a few others are beacons for a small section of the forum membership who have unnaturally obsessive attitudes.

cleanbluesky · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:23

Richdog said:
lol I hope you dont seriously believe anyone would be envious of not getting MoH status. But i'd love to know what MoH status DOES mean and how "clever" a little tag it is, care to enlighten us?

you have strong feelings for the tag, despite it not being tangible - thats how its clever

wordy · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:26

Nana said:
I feel the exact same way about your posts as you apparently do about mine. And yes I feel comfortable criticising your way of addressing people.

There is however one thing in your post that does please me, you apparently find me irksome, as I find you. So at least it is mutual, and I am not the only one who gets annoyed.

There's only 1 way to settle this is little arguement.....

A DANCE OFF!!

>:|sh4d0w|:< · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:28

Mohinder said:
'causing trouble' and 'vandalism' is hardly just cause for a beating from the British Army.

Also from what ive seen from the vid, it doesnt look like they are administering an official punishment.

i know nothing · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:32

dirtydog said:
It isn't too hard to understand. If the rioters were being violent or resisting arrest on the street then some violence would be justified from the soldiers. Once the rioters were in custody and back on the base however, and on the ground begging for mercy then kicking their heads in isn't justified any more is it.

What a stupid thing to say. In one place it is acceptable to kick the crap out of someone and in another place it's not? A beating is a beating wherever it takes place.

cleanbluesky · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:35

i know nothing said:
What a stupid thing to say. In one place it is acceptable to kick the crap out of someone and in another place it's not? A beating is a beating wherever it takes place.

Depends what you mean by 'acceptable' - bear in mind that in many, many countries throughout the world that such beatings are commonplace...

Lt. Manlove · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:35

I wouldn't like to see this thread get locked, which is what might happen if we don't stay on topic. Is my poll up yet? *runs to have a look*

@if ®afiq · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:36

i know nothing said:
What a stupid thing to say. In one place it is acceptable to kick the crap out of someone and in another place it's not? A beating is a beating wherever it takes place.

If it happened in the middle of the riot, then that can be seen as heavy handed crowd control and as such it's impact would not be as bad. However, not only did this happen after the rioters had been dispersed but also in the confines of their base/camp.

i know nothing · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:39

>:|sh4d0w|:< said:
Also from what ive seen from the vid, it doesnt look like they are administering an official punishment.

Sanctioned by an officer or NCO maybe, but I doubt it's an official punishment as the MOD have condemned it.

>:|sh4d0w|:< · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:40

i know nothing said:
Sanctioned by an officer or NCO maybe, but I doubt it's an official punishment as the MOD have condemned it.

Which is what i said.

Borris · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:41

cleanbluesky said:
Depends what you mean by 'acceptable' - bear in mind that in many, many countries throughout the world that such beatings are commonplace...

There are many things that are acceptable overseas that are not acceptable here - we should adhere to our own rules, however. It's one situation in which "when in Rome" doesn't apply.

The arguement that we can do it because they do it doesn't say much for taking any high ground, moral or otherwise.

The video just looks like a bunch of bullying thugs in combat fatigues. Their status as British soldiers should not cannot afford them privilege to act like a ****s.

i know nothing · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:42

cleanbluesky said:
Depends what you mean by 'acceptable' - bear in mind that in many, many countries throughout the world that such beatings are commonplace...

Agreed. Where I live they just shoot them, you're lucky if you get off with a beating.

i know nothing · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:43

>:|sh4d0w|:< said:
Which is what i said.

Apologies, misread your post!

Richdog · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:43

cleanbluesky said:
Its just strange how it happens so consistently. It is as if you, I and a few others are beacons for a small section of the forum membership who have unnaturally obsessive attitudes.

Goodness is it not hard to realise the reason it happens so consistently? It's most amusing that you see yourself as the innocent victim. Any normal person would start wondering why they so consistently get sated by other members.

cleanbluesky said:
you have strong feelings for the tag, despite it not being tangible - thats how its clever

But as has been said, the title means nothing... it just happens to be given to the people who tend to be the most irritating. That's the only 'tangible' thing about it.

Anyway the topic has gone far enough de-railed methinks, that's the end of it from me.

>:|sh4d0w|:< said:
Also from what ive seen from the vid, it doesnt look like they are administering an official punishment.

Of course it's not, it's brutality. Not justifiable imo.

Borris said:
There are many things that are acceptable overseas that are not acceptable here - we should adhere to our own rules, however. It's one situation in which "when in Rome" doesn't apply.

The arguement that we can do it because they do it doesn't say much for taking any high ground, moral or otherwise.

The video just looks like a bunch of bullying thugs in combat fatigues. Their status as British soldiers should not cannot afford them privilege to act like a ****s.

Well said, just because something is acceptable somewhere else does not make it automatically acceptable here.

@if ®afiq · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:44

Lt. Manlove said:
I wouldn't like to see this thread get locked, which is what might happen if we don't stay on topic. Is my poll up yet? *runs to have a look*

what is the poll for??

Lt. Manlove · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:45

@if ®afiq said:
what is the poll for??

Those in favor and those who arent. Not trying to proove anything, just curious as to the overall opinions of the forum.

cleanbluesky · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:46

Borris said:
There are many things that are acceptable overseas that are not acceptable here - we should adhere to our own rules, however. It's one situation in which "when in Rome" doesn't apply.

We tolerate the behaviour and attitudes of 'foreign ambassadors' that have found their way to our country. Why should we tolerate what they do, yet expect everyone we identify with the rigid constructions that we place on behaviour?

The arguement that we can do it because they do it doesn't say much for taking any high ground, moral or otherwise.

It also suggests that there may have been a strategic reason for what happened rather than mere cheap thrills.

The video just looks like a bunch of bullying thugs in combat fatigues. Their status as British soldiers should not cannot afford them privilege to act like a ****s.

The video looks like soldiers hurting people. If this concept is new to you, I suggest you examine what an army does. The context of the attack was unclear, and quite possibly innapropriate - but the context cannot be determined from the video alone.

@if ®afiq · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:46

i know nothing said:
Agreed. Where I live they just shoot them, you're lucky if you get off with a beating.

Who gets shot/beat and do you think it's acceptable?

i know nothing · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:49

@if ®afiq said:
If it happened in the middle of the riot, then that can be seen as heavy handed crowd control and as such it's impact would not be as bad. However, not only did this happen after the rioters had been dispersed but also in the confines of their base/camp.

Ok, but look at it another way, they mete out the same punishment whilst the riot is going on, it infuriates the onlooking rioters even more.

Gilly · 13 Feb 2006 at 15:49

Glad you've decided to shut up about it Richdog. Make sure you hold to that

Nana, you'd do well to do the same.

This petty bickering stops. It is far too tedious for everyone else.