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Looking at building a new PC and any thoughts on the following spec would be appreciated. Prices have certainly gone up since my last build in 2021:

  • Lian-Li LANCOOL 215 midi-tower
  • MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI
  • AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
  • Alpenfohn Dolomit Advanced 120mm
  • Corsair RM750x 80 PLUS Gold
  • Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32GB 6000MHz CL36
  • Nvidia RTX 4070 12GB FE
  • Crucial P3 PLUS 2TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 NVMe

Any advice greatly appreciated.
 
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My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,416.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)​
So put all your items together to get an idea on price...the asus card same price as the FE card...​
my thoughts​
nothing wrong with any of it​
215 case old now..much prefer the 216 which was the replacement, and the 217 just been shown at computex, which looks good too...there's actually quite a lot of new cases, and a buch coming in around the £80 mark...can thank phanteks for that i think
mobob is pciegen4 for both cpu and gpu...you could go for something like the tuf gaming b650 wifi...that'll give you pcie5 for the nvme, and cheaper, or the asus b650e-f which is pcie5 for both gpu and nvme for little more
7600x...nothing wrong, 7600 cheaper and enable pbo and get similar performance...new 9600x cpu released next month...would wait for reviews/price..might impact 7600x prices
can get 6000c30 ram for the same price
rm750x psu is good...but it's atx2.0 only, not 3.0...doesn't come with a native cable so you'll have to buy that seperateley to plug into the 4000 series card..if going nvidia, i'd look at a atx3.0 psu
crucial...can get faster ssd for similar money, or drop to something like the 2tb SN580 for £104
4070 for £530...get the 4070super for £550...it's about 16% faster for not a lot more or go with amd 7900gre(if you do that, uses standard power connections so rm750x will be fine)

I'd def wait till new releases of cpu's etc...might shake up prices a bit​
 
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My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,416.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)​
So put all your items together to get an idea on price...the asus card same price as the FE card...​
my thoughts​
nothing wrong with any of it​
215 case old now..much prefer the 216 which was the replacement, and the 217 just been shown at computex, which looks good too...there's actually quite a lot of new cases, and a buch coming in around the £80 mark...can thank phanteks for that i think​
mobob is pciegen4 for both cpu and gpu...you could go for something like the tuf gaming b650 wifi...that'll give you pcie5 for the nvme, and cheaper, or the asus b650e-f which is pcie5 for both gpu and nvme for little more​
7600x...nothing wrong, 7600 cheaper and enable pbo and get similar performance...new 9600x cpu released next month...would wait for reviews/price..might impact 7600x prices​
can get 6000c30 ram for the same price​
rm750x psu is good...but it's atx2.0 only, not 3.0...doesn't come with a native cable so you'll have to buy that seperateley to plug into the 4000 series card..if going nvidia, i'd look at a atx3.0 psu​
crucial...can get faster ssd for similar money, or drop to something like the 2tb SN580 for £104​
4070 for £530...get the 4070super for £550...it's about 16% faster for not a lot more or go with amd 7900gre(if you do that, uses standard power connections so rm750x will be fine)​
I'd def wait till new releases of cpu's etc...might shake up prices a bit​


Wow, thanks for all that. I didn't even know about ATX 3.0 with the PSU, so I'm glad I posted! Great to know about the RAM as well. What's PBO, is that a form of undervolting or something? I currently undervolt my RTX 3060 Ti FE, but not the 5600X CPU (I don't think, maybe I am because I remember doing something in BIOS! lol)

I liked the idea of the fan option at the rear to help pull the GPU heat out, I currently have a similar custom setup at the moment, except that the fan is in front of the GPU pushing the hot air out. But it's not a deal breaker, other than price are there any advantages to the Phantek over the Lian-Li?

I'm not a fan of WD, have a few failures in the past with HDD but I don't know what their M.2 are like. I've never had issues with Crucial drives though, I would probably stick with it for the sake of a tenner.

Are Zotac any good? I've got Palit ones in the past and they weren't good, which is why I've ended up going down the FE route.

Thanks again.



What do you use the PC for?

What are you upgrading from?

I'm upgrading from a 5600X, X570 Tomahawk MB, RTX 3060 Ti FE, RM750x PSU, 32GB DDR4 RAM, similar M.2 SDD but only 1GB.

I run a super widescreen monitor at 4k for desktop apps, but PC gaming is not overly intensive. However, I do game with PCVR on the Quest 3. I've got a dedicated TUF Gaming AX5400 router for it, so now looking at the computer side of things.


An alternative I'm also looking at is simply popping an RTX 4070 FE into my current rig instead, but now I'm worried about this ATX 3.0 thing. My current 3060 Ti came with an adapter to work with my RM750x, will the 4070 not also come with this adapter?
 
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I'm upgrading from a 5600X, X570 Tomahawk MB, RTX 3060 Ti FE, RM750x PSU, 32GB DDR4 RAM, similar M.2 SDD but only 1GB.

I run a super widescreen monitor at 4k for desktop apps, but PC gaming is not overly intensive. However, I do game with PCVR on the Quest 3. I've got a dedicated TUF Gaming AX5400 router for it, so now looking at the computer side of things.

An alternative I'm also looking at is simply popping an RTX 4070 FE into my current rig instead, but now I'm worried about this ATX 3.0 thing. My current 3060 Ti came with an adapter to work with my RM750x, will the 4070 not also come with this adapter?
CPU: You'd be best off getting a 5700X3D or 5800X3D, since they perform similar to the 7600.

GPU: the majority of 4070 non-Super cards (NOT FE) do not use the 16 pin connector. The FE does use the 16 pin connector. All cards include an adapter for older PSUs, just like your 3060 Ti did.

Since you have a 4K monitor and already own a decent card in the 3060 Ti, I'd strongly recommend you do a bigger upgrade than a 4070, at least a 4070 Super, but preferably a 4070 Ti Super, 7900 XT or better.
 
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CPU: You'd be best off getting a 5700X3D or 5800X3D, since they perform similar to the 7600.

GPU: the majority of 4070 non-Super cards (NOT FE) do not use the 16 pin connector. The FE does use the 16 pin connector. All cards include an adapter for older PSUs, just like your 3060 Ti did.

Since you have a 4K monitor and already own a decent card in the 3060 Ti, I'd strongly recommend you do a bigger upgrade than a 4070, at least a 4070 Super, but preferably a 4070 Ti Super, 7900 XT or better.


Thanks. The 4070 Ti Super is quite a price hike over the 4070 and I'm wondering if it's really worth it for the performance gains, compared to the difference in performance between the 3060 Ti and the 4070? I'm going off the videobenchmark stats and whilst I appreciate that they are just a rough guide, I'm using the same source for all cards, so hopefully reasonably accurate to go by? I need to watch the budget on this, £1,300 is roughly as much as I would want to go to.
 
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Thanks. The 4070 Ti Super is quite a price hike over the 4070 and I'm wondering if it's really worth it for the performance gains, compared to the difference in performance between the 3060 Ti and the 4070? I'm going off the videobenchmark stats and whilst I appreciate that they are just a rough guide, I'm using the same source for all cards, so hopefully reasonably accurate to go by? I need to watch the budget on this, £1,300 is roughly as much as I would want to go to.
It is hard to say in absolute value terms because if we're brutal the answer is: NO (to everything), because your 3060 Ti is just too current (the 4060 Ti is barely any improvement at all, since nvidia moved all their new cards down one tier).

TPU's GPU database says (from a 3060 Ti, no upscaling, no ray tracing):
4070 +43%
4070 Super +66%
7900 GRE +69%
4070 Ti +78%
4070 Ti Super 95%
4080 +126%
4080 Super +130%
 
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It is hard to say in absolute value terms because if we're brutal the answer is: NO (to everything), because your 3060 Ti is just too current (the 4060 Ti is barely any improvement at all, since nvidia moved all their new cards down one tier).

TPU's GPU database says (from a 3060 Ti, no upscaling, no ray tracing):
4070 +43%
4070 Super +66%
7900 GRE +69%
4070 Ti +78%
4070 Ti Super 95%
4080 +126%
4080 Super +130%

That's an interesting site cheers.

I see your point and my current computer is quick enough for decent gaming. This is why I'm also thinking about just getting the 4070 for the VR performance boost. My son has my old 1660 Super (loved that card!), so I could replace that with my 3060 Ti FE.
 
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This is why I'm also thinking about just getting the 4070 for the VR performance boost.
If you have a budget of £1300, then a 5700X3D/5800X3D and a 4070 Ti Super would be covered comfortably and that card is 95% faster than what you have and decently capable of 4K. The 4070 is just too incremental an upgrade for me, even though I'm aware the price is more palatable. Doing a whole platform upgrade is the worst use of your budget, in my opinion, though if you're handing everything you have down, I guess it would make more sense.
 
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If you have a budget of £1300, then a 5700X3D/5800X3D and a 4070 Ti Super would be covered comfortably and that card is 95% faster than what you have and decently capable of 4K. The 4070 is just too incremental an upgrade for me, even though I'm aware the price is more palatable. Doing a whole platform upgrade is the worst use of your budget, in my opinion, though if you're handing everything you have down, I guess it would make more sense.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

This whole opportunity has come about because I have a computer I use for office type work but also design and it has always struggled with Photoshop etc (the i5-4460 processor is worse than my previous i7 3770K) as I got it built by a local computer store and I trusted them to put a decent i5 in, but they went cheap. It's now slowly dying and needs replacing, so rather than getting some budget generic thing I was thinking about using my current rig for the office and building a new gaming rig.

Perhaps another option (challenge?) would be to keep my current rig, but stick a 4070 Ti Super in it (will my RM750x PSU being able to handle it?) and replace the work computer with a cheap build and stick the 1660 Super in it. Currys do an Acer with an i5-12400 for £549, but I've not idea about the PSU for connecting to the 1660 Super. Would it be possible to build a rig from OC components to match that Acer for around £550? I'm thinking about the Ryzen 5 4500 etc?
 
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This whole opportunity has come about because I have a computer I use for office type work but also design and it has always struggled with Photoshop etc (the i5-4460 processor is worse than my previous i7 3770K) as I got it built by a local computer store and I trusted them to put a decent i5 in, but they went cheap. It's now slowly dying and needs replacing, so rather than getting some budget generic thing I was thinking about using my current rig for the office and building a new gaming rig.
Ahh, I see,.. so upgrading your current PC doesn't do what you want.

replace the work computer with a cheap build and stick the 1660 Super in it. x do an Acer with an i5-12400 for £549, but I've not idea about the PSU for connecting to the 1660 Super.
Hmm, these kind of prebuilds are awkward because of their use of proprietary components, it is hard to predict what upgradability they have. You could try finding a service manual based on the model number.

The 12400 doesn't actually need a graphics card and they're pretty affordable at the moment, so I expect you could get close to that price, but since your current rig is a CPU that performs near identical it seems like a waste when AM5 would move you onto a new platform.

I'll reverse my previous comments, go AM5, though I'd suggest a 4070 Super if you can afford the extra.
 
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Ahh, I see,.. so upgrading your current PC doesn't do what you want.


Hmm, these kind of prebuilds are awkward because of their use of proprietary components, it is hard to predict what upgradability they have. You could try finding a service manual based on the model number.

The 12400 doesn't actually need a graphics card and they're pretty affordable at the moment, so I expect you could get close to that price, but since your current rig is a CPU that performs near identical it seems like a waste when AM5 would move you onto a new platform.

I'll reverse my previous comments, go AM5, though I'd suggest a 4070 Super if you can afford the extra.

I think no matter which path I take, it's going to cost a fair amount simply because of these Nvidia cards still being such high in price. I'll have a good ponder over what to do.


Thanks for all the help.
 
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I think no matter which path I take, it's going to cost a fair amount simply because of these Nvidia cards still being such high in price. I'll have a good ponder over what to do.
There is one alternative, a bit weird, but: you could buy the AM5 system without a graphics card (all AM5 CPUs except -F have integrated graphics) and temporarily use it for your work and then when you're ready to buy (and there is something more attractive, new cards are due this year, I think), you could put the graphics card in and swap usage from work to games.
 
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Wow, thanks for all that. I didn't even know about ATX 3.0 with the PSU, so I'm glad I posted! Great to know about the RAM as well. What's PBO, is that a form of undervolting or something? I currently undervolt my RTX 3060 Ti FE, but not the 5600X CPU (I don't think, maybe I am because I remember doing something in BIOS! lol)

I liked the idea of the fan option at the rear to help pull the GPU heat out, I currently have a similar custom setup at the moment, except that the fan is in front of the GPU pushing the hot air out. But it's not a deal breaker, other than price are there any advantages to the Phantek over the Lian-Li?

I'm not a fan of WD, have a few failures in the past with HDD but I don't know what their M.2 are like. I've never had issues with Crucial drives though, I would probably stick with it for the sake of a tenner.

Are Zotac any good? I've got Palit ones in the past and they weren't good, which is why I've ended up going down the FE route.

Thanks again.





I'm upgrading from a 5600X, X570 Tomahawk MB, RTX 3060 Ti FE, RM750x PSU, 32GB DDR4 RAM, similar M.2 SDD but only 1GB.

I run a super widescreen monitor at 4k for desktop apps, but PC gaming is not overly intensive. However, I do game with PCVR on the Quest 3. I've got a dedicated TUF Gaming AX5400 router for it, so now looking at the computer side of things.


An alternative I'm also looking at is simply popping an RTX 4070 FE into my current rig instead, but now I'm worried about this ATX 3.0 thing. My current 3060 Ti came with an adapter to work with my RM750x, will the 4070 not also come with this adapter?
PBO precision boost overdrive... you just enable it in bios and that's it, it does the resyt...a bit like enabling expo for ram

you already have a good rig, and of course you're gaming at 4k resolution you say, so more of the grunt work moves to the gpu rather than the cpu, so really the best bet is a gpu upgrade
I don't see the point of the 4070, the 4070super is 16% faster for less of a % price upgrade, making it a no brainer...from 4070super to 4070ti super a bit more tricky

4070 £530 100%
4070s £580 116% performance of 4070 for 9.4% more money
4070tisupr £800 136% perf for 51% more money
4080super £959 161% perf for 81.9% more money
4090 £1549 199% per for 192.3% more money

so if a game scales at samer perf and lets say 4070 game is 100fps then cost per frame would be £5.30
4070s would get 116fps so £5 per frame
4070tis would be £5.88
4080s would be £5.95
4090 would be £7.78

now really the higher up the stack you go the price should stretch but in the 4070sup the cost per frame drops, so it makes it better value than the 4070
but the 4070ti goes the other way, which is to be expected as it's higher up the stack
the outlier to me in the 4000 series is the 4080super as it's nearly the same cost per frame as the 4070ti, where it should be way more as it's a higher tier gpu....now seeing as they're so expensive, in reality, that just tells me the 4070tisuper is too expensive(should be closer to £700 to be in line with performance for me, in the stck so to speak)
and the 4090 is premium, but look at the cost per frame

so for me I'd either look at the 4070super which will give up a 49% uplift in gaming vs the 3060ti or the 4080super which will give you a 107% uplift compared to the 3060ti...and is a true 4k gpu

caveat being at the end of the year new gen cards should be realease, but last rumour i saw is that the5080/5090 might be delayed to next year, and the lower cards will be much later, much like the 4000 series launch
 
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There is one alternative, a bit weird, but: you could buy the AM5 system without a graphics card (all AM5 CPUs except -F have integrated graphics) and temporarily use it for your work and then when you're ready to buy (and there is something more attractive, new cards are due this year, I think), you could put the graphics card in and swap usage from work to games.

Nice, I like the outside of the box thinking. I'll have a look at some prices and see what there is.
 
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PBO precision boost overdrive... you just enable it in bios and that's it, it does the resyt...a bit like enabling expo for ram

you already have a good rig, and of course you're gaming at 4k resolution you say, so more of the grunt work moves to the gpu rather than the cpu, so really the best bet is a gpu upgrade
I don't see the point of the 4070, the 4070super is 16% faster for less of a % price upgrade, making it a no brainer...from 4070super to 4070ti super a bit more tricky

4070 £530 100%
4070s £580 116% performance of 4070 for 9.4% more money
4070tisupr £800 136% perf for 51% more money
4080super £959 161% perf for 81.9% more money
4090 £1549 199% per for 192.3% more money

so if a game scales at samer perf and lets say 4070 game is 100fps then cost per frame would be £5.30
4070s would get 116fps so £5 per frame
4070tis would be £5.88
4080s would be £5.95
4090 would be £7.78

now really the higher up the stack you go the price should stretch but in the 4070sup the cost per frame drops, so it makes it better value than the 4070
but the 4070ti goes the other way, which is to be expected as it's higher up the stack
the outlier to me in the 4000 series is the 4080super as it's nearly the same cost per frame as the 4070ti, where it should be way more as it's a higher tier gpu....now seeing as they're so expensive, in reality, that just tells me the 4070tisuper is too expensive(should be closer to £700 to be in line with performance for me, in the stck so to speak)
and the 4090 is premium, but look at the cost per frame

so for me I'd either look at the 4070super which will give up a 49% uplift in gaming vs the 3060ti or the 4080super which will give you a 107% uplift compared to the 3060ti...and is a true 4k gpu

caveat being at the end of the year new gen cards should be realease, but last rumour i saw is that the5080/5090 might be delayed to next year, and the lower cards will be much later, much like the 4000 series launch

Crickey, that's a lot of man maths! lol Lots of stuff to take in there, let me think some more about it all. I'm kind of tempted just to replace the work computer with something from PC World as Photoshop is CPU heavy, so a reasonable i5 should be enough and look at the graphics card for my gaming rig. Would my 5600X processor or X570 MB be a bottleneck for the 4070 Super? I'm also assuming it only needs two 8 pin power connectors and not three?

Also, my gaming rig is set for 4k for applications, but for gaming I usually only run 2k at the most. It's only VR which is the real intensive stuff. The unvolting has certainly helped because it had switched to default recently and things were stuttering a bit, but after checking and applying the previously saved graph and settings, everything was lovely again, so I think a 4070 etc would make a fair difference.
 
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Crickey, that's a lot of man maths! lol Lots of stuff to take in there, let me think some more about it all. I'm kind of tempted just to replace the work computer with something from PC World as Photoshop is CPU heavy, so a reasonable i5 should be enough and look at the graphics card for my gaming rig. Would my 5600X processor or X570 MB be a bottleneck for the 4070 Super? I'm also assuming it only needs two 8 pin power connectors and not three?

Also, my gaming rig is set for 4k for applications, but for gaming I usually only run 2k at the most. It's only VR which is the real intensive stuff. The unvolting has certainly helped because it had switched to default recently and things were stuttering a bit, but after checking and applying the previously saved graph and settings, everything was lovely again, so I think a 4070 etc would make a fair difference.

The motherboard isn't a bottleneck, the CPU will be to some extent depending on both game and resolution.

A 4070S alongside a 5700X3D could have major potential uplift in certain sim games, or titles like CoD Warzone for example (among others). Some games really, really love that 3D cache and it can make a big difference. That said, on games that don't care and more so at higher resolutions you wont see much difference between it and your 5600X.

If playing at 4K I'd definitely make the jump to a 4070TI Super or 7900XT as a minimum depending on your needs.
 
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Crickey, that's a lot of man maths! lol Lots of stuff to take in there, let me think some more about it all. I'm kind of tempted just to replace the work computer with something from PC World as Photoshop is CPU heavy, so a reasonable i5 should be enough and look at the graphics card for my gaming rig. Would my 5600X processor or X570 MB be a bottleneck for the 4070 Super? I'm also assuming it only needs two 8 pin power connectors and not three?

Also, my gaming rig is set for 4k for applications, but for gaming I usually only run 2k at the most. It's only VR which is the real intensive stuff. The unvolting has certainly helped because it had switched to default recently and things were stuttering a bit, but after checking and applying the previously saved graph and settings, everything was lovely again, so I think a 4070 etc would make a fair difference.

as @Gray2233 put above really. at 4k more of the load on the gpu, so cpu doesn't work as hard, so difference becomes less noticeable...at 1080p, the cpu works really hard as has to process far more frames, so can become a bottleneck. If you're playing 1440p ultrawide, you're somewhere between 1440 and 4k, but as you're not playing with a 4090, I don't think you'll notice a massive drop in framerates with a 4070super....wouldn't stop me getting the gpu...remember people were using a 5600x with a 3080 no problem, and a 4070s isn't that much faster

by the way regarding ssd...I put in sn580 as was £104, but if the £16 doesn't matter so much(it's £119.99 on ocuk), and you want performance, I'd look at some others

The crucial p3 plus has a read/write of 5000/4200mb/s with a 440TBW endurance.... tbw is terrabytes written..so 440 means if you have a game which is 100gb for example and wrote it to the ssd every day, you could put it on you ssd 4,400 times, and at 100gb a day, it'll last 12years before the drive would fail(the tbw is an av so some would fail earlier, some later)

Look at something like the 2tb MSI Spatium M480 Pro. speed is 7400/7000 with endurance of 1400TBW, and it's £125.99, though on preorder on OCuk at mo (so endurance you could write 100gb to your ssd every day for 38years before it'd fail an av)
or the 2tb Adata XPG Gammix S70 Blade..7400/6800 with 1480TBW endurance...in stock elsewhere for £124.95

the above 2 are 48% faster in read speads, 66% or 62% better write speed and 318% or 336%better endurance....for £7 more...they both come with 5yrs warranty
 
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