New Build - thought?

[Craig_d1]

so I've got a bit lost somewhere...the 5600x/3060ti pc you have at the mo...what are you going to do with that?

and you have another work pc?...as you said you may look at a dell or something with an i5....again...might as well wait for the new am5 cpu's...with a 16% ipc gain on av, they should eat the current intel cpu's, and you'd have to wait for the new platform before you get better performance

 

[Tetras]

so I've got a bit lost somewhere...the 5600x/3060ti pc you have at the mo...what are you going to do with that?

From what I understand, there's an old work PC that is dying/dead and the idea is to use the existing 5600x rig as the new work PC and build a new gaming PC, hence the AM5 system rather than buying e.g. a 5700X3D for the AM4 one.

 

[ninjag]

Yeah sorry, I've made it all a bit messy! lol

There's three computers in the mix:

1. Work PC with a horrific i5-4460 and no GPU. Used for various business applications but also Adobe stuff including Photoshop which struggles on this computer. It is now dying a slow death so needs to be replaced.
2. My Gaming Rig with Ryzen 5 5600X, RTX3060Ti FE, X570 Tomahawk, RM750x PSU
3. Son's Gaming Rig with an i7-3770k, 1660 Super, RM750x PSU and I can't remember the motherboard, but obviously a Socket 1155.

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First chain of thought was:

1. Build myself a new gaming rig
2. Donate my current gaming rig to my son
3. Use my son's current gaming rig as my work PC

This would involve OS refreshes on all three and reinstalling lots of software. Also, I'm concerned that the i7-3770k processor isn't only marginally more powerful than the i5-4460, so may not be suitable for Photoshop work.

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Second chain of thought was:

1. Build myself a new gaming rig
2. Swap my 3060 TI FE with my son's 1660 Super so he now has a more powerful graphics card
3. Use my current gaming rig with the 1660 Super as my work PC

This would be a lot easier from a software point of view because I could keep the OS on my gaming rig, it's already got Microsoft Office, work emails, Adobe suite etc all installed on it so there would only be a few extra bits of software to install to make it work ready. My son's gaming rig would remain unchanged with regard to software. The new gaming rig would obviously need a full install.

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Third chain of thought was:

1. Buy an off-the-self computer for work such as the Acer with an i5-12400 processor, which I feel would be more than powerful enough.
2. Buy a 4700 Super for my gaming rig
3. Put my 3060Ti FE into my son's gaming rig

But I now have a spare 1660 Super which I'm not sure could work in the Acer computer, although that's not a deal breaker.

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The issue I have with my third chain of thought, is that it would not be far off cost wise from the first two chain of thoughts - both of which would get me a new gaming rig. But do I really need a new gaming rig when I feel that all I really need is a graphics card upgrade? My third chain of thought is probably the least amount of work as well, although I do love a new build! lol

I really appreciate all the help so far because I really want to get this right and make the best decision.

 

[Tetras]

Option two is the best, it saves you the hassle of reinstalling everything and gets you a new upgradeable gaming PC.

 

[ninjag]

Option two is the best, it saves you the hassle of reinstalling everything and gets you a new upgradeable gaming PC.

I think you are right, plus it gives me a decent rig for work that will probably be easier to upgrade in the future if necessary, rather than some off-the-shelf one.

Many thanks everyone, what a great place this is! Now that the direction I'm heading is decided, I just need to finalise the specs of the new rig. I'll have another look at the earlier suggestions.

 

[Craig_d1]

Option two is the best, it saves you the hassle of reinstalling everything and gets you a new upgradeable gaming PC.

Not for the son though....i7 3770k is a bit long in the tooth....if my son read this thread I know which option he'd choose

below is the 3770 vs 5600x using a 4060, and the 3060ti is 16% faster than the 4060, and below you can see you can double your fps with the 4060 going to the 5600x from the 3770...it's going to be severely cpu bottlenecked if you keep that cpu

Build yourself a new pc AM5
Give your current gaming rig to your son, he'll think you're the best Dad in the world
Rip out the guts of your sons pc, buy a 2nd hand am4 mobo and 5600x/5800x with 32gb ddr 3200 ram (less than £200) or a b660/12th gen intel if you prefer...use case, psu, gpu etc...now your work pc


remember you can get new windows key for £10 if you google

More work yes, but from your pc's, 1 and 3 are at retirement age for their intended uses I think

 

[Craig_d1]

or (same thing really but just different way

take out the 1660 from sons pc, but in your gaming rig...now your work rig

still rip out inards of sons rig, buy mobo/cpu/ram, stick in the 3060ti

build new am5 for yourself

if you were thinking of getting an acer system anyway for your work pc, just getting a new mobo/cpu/ram 2nd hand is sureley cheaper

 

[ninjag]

Ok, so I've got more to think about now! On the plus side, I've remember that I have a spare WD Black 1TB M.2 7000MB/s sitting here (after me not wanting WD lol) so that knocks £100+ off a build.

My son mainly games on the Xbox and PS5, but that's mainly because of his friends all being on them. His PC gaming is quite limited just now, but I suspect that may change as he gets older and the i7-3770k and motherboard must be going on 14 years now, so could be worth changing (feeling a bit nostalgic about it because it served me well for a long time). I guess it would open up PCVR for him as well by having my current rig.

Also, just a thought but could I use my current gaming rig M.2 in the new gaming rig seeing as I would be sticking with AMD; would it just be some driver updates? That would save me a ton of software install work.

Will need to look at the numbers with all this.

 

[Craig_d1]

Ok, so I've got more to think about now! On the plus side, I've remember that I have a spare WD Black 1TB M.2 7000MB/s sitting here (after me not wanting WD lol) so that knocks £100+ off a build.

My son mainly games on the Xbox and PS5, but that's mainly because of his friends all being on them. His PC gaming is quite limited just now, but I suspect that may change as he gets older and the i7-3770k and motherboard must be going on 14 years now, so could be worth changing (feeling a bit nostalgic about it because it served me well for a long time). I guess it would open up PCVR for him as well by having my current rig.

Also, just a thought but could I use my current gaming rig M.2 in the new gaming rig seeing as I would be sticking with AMD; would it just be some driver updates? That would save me a ton of software install work.

Will need to look at the numbers with all this.

I would just do a fresh install on your new rig..you'd be doing different mobo/platform as well as new gpu...think that'd end up be more work having to uninstall all the drivers and reinstalling new ones...if you keep the sd in your existing g aming rig as work pc and just put the 1660 in there, just copy the programs you need over onto it..all you're doing is downgrading the gpu, and it was your pc to start with, shouldn't be that much to change..seems a lot less work

How olds your son?..I have 2. 17yrs old and 2nd just turned 15. They're both on xbox's too. Oldest though plays pc games and has a quest 2...so his gaming has rapidly expanded over last couple years...doesn't play with me anymore...still gravitates to his xbox though as where most of his friends are, and if I log on in an evening, I can see he's always in a group chat of 6 people or so..they're all playing different games, just the new way of socialising. Uses pc for more single player...cross platform play with xbox and pc doesn't work well he says...too much of an advantage to the pc

My youngest is xbox only, but now he's doing computer studies etc, that's beginning to change. he started hinting at a pc recently

 

[Gray2233]

Windows 10 and 11 are pretty good with hardware/platform changes, you don't necessarily need to uninstall anything either.

There is a chance that problems might arise from it, but there's no harm in giving it a shot prior.

Personally, I always partition part of my main SSD off for Windows, makes reinstalls quick and easy without having to wipe the entire drive should something require it.

 

[ninjag]

Thanks all, I'll need to figure out a few things now with spec for my new gaming rig.

This build posted earlier by Craig looks good (I've taken the SSD out)

1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £169.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.10GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DW-AM) = £182.99
1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99
1 x Corsair RMe Series RM850e Fully Modular Low-Noise ATX Power Supply v2 (CP-9020263-UK) (SKU: CA-27N-CS) = £124.99
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Super Twin Edge 12Gb Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ZTC-01499) = £548.99
1 x Phanteks XT Pro Ultra ATX Case Tempered Glass Window, Black (SKU: CAS-PHK-01443) = £66.95

Is TeamGroup ram any good, I've never heard of them? I guess ultimately there's only a few actual manufacturers, but I like to check first.

I'm not sure about the case, I use top case fans and it looks a little squished. I guess cases are a bit of a personal choice thing to some extend. I do like those giant front fans in the Lian Li 215.

If going with the Lian Li 215 then total cost is £1,226.94


Regarding the work build, I've come up with this and all brand new with OC (I can't remember how to generate the list, so manually copying and pasting each item):

• Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 (AMD AM4) B550 ATX = £104.99
• AMD Ryzen 5 4500 Six Core 4.1GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail = £74.99
• Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-29200C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2D3600C18) = £39.65

£219.63 in total, which seems decent enough.

Total cost will be £1,446.57 which I feel is pretty good considering there's going to be three upgrades. As much as it may be better to wait for prices to drop when new generations come out, the work pc is going to die soon so I'd rather not be caught out and end up having to buy a generic off-the-shelf computer.

 

[Tetras]

Regarding the work build, I've come up with this and all brand new with OC (I can't remember how to generate the list, so manually copying and pasting each item):

I thought you were using your current PC for your work build? Are you giving your current PC to your son now?

I'm not sure about the case, I use top case fans and it looks a little squished. I guess cases are a bit of a personal choice thing to some extend. I do like those giant front fans in the Lian Li 215.

I think it looks squished in the picture partly because the top fans are an AIO and the radiator adds a lot of vertical thickness.

 

[ninjag]

I thought you were using your current PC for your work build? Are you giving your current PC to your son now?


I think it looks squished in the picture partly because the top fans are an AIO and the radiator adds a lot of vertical thickness.

I was, but I think it is probably time to upgrade that i7-3770k and as suggested it will be the bottleneck. It does make sense to now do a full musical chairs! lol I know it will involve a lot more software installing, but fortunately I have a 1Gbps internet and with the fast M.2 drives I'm hoping it won't take too long to download and install everything.

Thanks for pointing out the water cooling, that makes sense.

Have you any thoughts on TeamGroup RAM?

 

[Gray2233]

Team Group RAM is perfectly fine, tbh 99% of the stuff out there is much the same unless you plan to OC and it's more hassle than it's worth IMO.

Some boards can be finicky with some sets, but it's pretty rare.

 

[Tetras]

I was, but I think it is probably time to upgrade that i7-3770k and as suggested it will be the bottleneck.

Ah, I see.

Hmm. I'm not a huge fan of the 4500 or fitting 16GB, though I can appreciate you don't want to spend loads and the 4500 is a decent price.

CPU: it is basically a 3600 in performance level.
Memory: 16GB is going to be replaced sooner rather than later.

For the same budget, I'd get a 12100F instead since it performs better, this might help:

AMD's Greed: R5 5500 CPU vs. Intel i3-12100F | CPU Review & Benchmarks

The AMD Ryzen 5 5500 CPU is too little, too late, launching about a year after when it should have. The R5 5500 can't compete with Intel's much cheaper i3-12...

www.youtube.com

 

[Craig_d1]

• AMD Ryzen 5 4500 Six Core 4.1GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail = £74.99

As am4, i was thinking more 2nd hand for the parts...just had a quick look on mktplace and you can get a 5800x for £90. I def wouldn't buy anything below a 5600 am4, i think the 5500 and below are somewhat gimped, and would go intel 12th gen if going that way, as @Tetras has put above. mobo's you just have to be patient, put £80 should get you a decent one, and you can get teamgroup vulcan 32gb 3200C16 for £60 brand new on OCuk, 2nd hand you should get for £30-40 (actually seen corsair vengeance lpx in that price bracket now) ...£220 for a 4500 with 16gb ram is too much to spend I think
the teamgroup delta 6000C30 is good value at £109 for OCuk. it's not expo but it constantly sells out quickly and they're been no real reports of it not working...if you want to stick with corsair or gskill, I'd look at buying elsewhere...for example elsewhere you can get corsair vengeance RGB 32gb 6000C36 expo on offer for £105.38 or £121 for 6000c30 (both of which ar £139.99 below)

The lian li 215 is 3 years old..can take a 240/280mm aio in roof but that's it..the 216 that replaced it is longer and can take a 360mm aio, and by default a longer gpu (they redesigned the 215 as a 4090 wouldn't fit in it, and also better airflaw) ...it's better quality that the phanteks but more expensive...you'd have to jump up more towards the NV5 for that, but that comes without fans, so would be additionsal costs so to speak
The phanteks xt view is same chassis as the xt ultra, but glass at from and fans on side...again can take a 360mm in top, and as a guide, that and the ultra can actually fit a gpu up to 420mm in length..the 215 is 370mm i think

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Lian Li LANCOOL 215 Mid-Tower aRGB Tempered Glass Black (SKU: CA-78K-LL) = £89.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB Mid-tower PC case - Black (SKU: CA-7B8-LL) = £109.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance RGB EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMH32GX5M2D6000Z36) (SKU: MY-4DD-CS) = £139.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance RGB EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K) (SKU: MY-4DU-CS) = £139.99
• 1 x Phanteks XT View ATX Case Tempered Glass Windows, Black (SKU: CAS-PHK-01445) = £74.99
• 1 x Phanteks NV5 Mid-Tower Showcase PC Case – Black, Tempered Glass (SKU: CA-0CB-PT) = £89.99

to add prices and links..put everything in your basket, then go to your cart...at the bottom of the cart (after you scroll past the insure your products etc) will be a a box with '<>BBCODE'. click that, another box comes up with your contents..highlight it all and copy...then in the forum paste and in the top right of the typing area you'll see some icons..1st is an anticlockwise arrow, then clockwise..3rd in a black box...after you've pasted hit that and it'll change the text pasted to above...hope that helps and you can follow

 

[Craig_d1]

there's also cases like the corsair 4000d airflow...no rgb or anything but a very well put together case..again not the longest, you'd have to jump to a 5000 series for that, but that's jumped in price now and i think way too much (i have a 5000x case but I wouldn't buy it now with the price tag they have now)..they're launching a 3500x which looks similar to the nv5 for £89, or you can have it with 3 rgb intake fans for £119.99..on preorder at mo...I can stick a whole load of vids up fore you to look if you want..including the 216, which has excellent reviews..was just trying to keep your costs down a bit

you're right though..the way a case looks is personal to the person buying..then you just got to find reviews to check whether any good...

 

[ninjag]

Ah, I see.

Hmm. I'm not a huge fan of the 4500 or fitting 16GB, though I can appreciate you don't want to spend loads and the 4500 is a decent price.

CPU: it is basically a 3600 in performance level.
Memory: 16GB is going to be replaced sooner rather than later.

For the same budget, I'd get a 12100F instead since it performs better, this might help:

AMD's Greed: R5 5500 CPU vs. Intel i3-12100F | CPU Review & Benchmarks

The AMD Ryzen 5 5500 CPU is too little, too late, launching about a year after when it should have. The R5 5500 can't compete with Intel's much cheaper i3-12...

www.youtube.com

I noticed that PassMark benchmarks show both the 4500 and the 5500 being higher scored than the 12100F? Although, the single thread rating is much higher with the Intel one. Seems odd that he was getting better results, or am I missing something?

AMD Ryzen 5 4500 vs AMD Ryzen 5 5500 vs Intel Core i3-12100F [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

 

[ninjag]

As am4, i was thinking more 2nd hand for the parts...just had a quick look on mktplace and you can get a 5800x for £90. I def wouldn't buy anything below a 5600 am4, i think the 5500 and below are somewhat gimped, and would go intel 12th gen if going that way, as @Tetras has put above. mobo's you just have to be patient, put £80 should get you a decent one, and you can get teamgroup vulcan 32gb 3200C16 for £60 brand new on OCuk, 2nd hand you should get for £30-40 (actually seen corsair vengeance lpx in that price bracket now) ...£220 for a 4500 with 16gb ram is too much to spend I think
the teamgroup delta 6000C30 is good value at £109 for OCuk. it's not expo but it constantly sells out quickly and they're been no real reports of it not working...if you want to stick with corsair or gskill, I'd look at buying elsewhere...for example elsewhere you can get corsair vengeance RGB 32gb 6000C36 expo on offer for £105.38 or £121 for 6000c30 (both of which ar £139.99 below)

The lian li 215 is 3 years old..can take a 240/280mm aio in roof but that's it..the 216 that replaced it is longer and can take a 360mm aio, and by default a longer gpu (they redesigned the 215 as a 4090 wouldn't fit in it, and also better airflaw) ...it's better quality that the phanteks but more expensive...you'd have to jump up more towards the NV5 for that, but that comes without fans, so would be additionsal costs so to speak
The phanteks xt view is same chassis as the xt ultra, but glass at from and fans on side...again can take a 360mm in top, and as a guide, that and the ultra can actually fit a gpu up to 420mm in length..the 215 is 370mm i think

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Lian Li LANCOOL 215 Mid-Tower aRGB Tempered Glass Black (SKU: CA-78K-LL) = £89.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB Mid-tower PC case - Black (SKU: CA-7B8-LL) = £109.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance RGB EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMH32GX5M2D6000Z36) (SKU: MY-4DD-CS) = £139.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance RGB EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K) (SKU: MY-4DU-CS) = £139.99
• 1 x Phanteks XT View ATX Case Tempered Glass Windows, Black (SKU: CAS-PHK-01445) = £74.99
• 1 x Phanteks NV5 Mid-Tower Showcase PC Case – Black, Tempered Glass (SKU: CA-0CB-PT) = £89.99

to add prices and links..put everything in your basket, then go to your cart...at the bottom of the cart (after you scroll past the insure your products etc) will be a a box with '<>BBCODE'. click that, another box comes up with your contents..highlight it all and copy...then in the forum paste and in the top right of the typing area you'll see some icons..1st is an anticlockwise arrow, then clockwise..3rd in a black box...after you've pasted hit that and it'll change the text pasted to above...hope that helps and you can follow

Ah, I didn't notice that about the 215 and the restricted length, cheers. I'm a little reluctant to go used for computer parts, especially for a work machine where I wouldn't like an increased risk of failure and losing my work. Performance wise, so long as it can handle Photoshop and Illustrator smoothly I'll be happy and it's mainly graphic design work (my big edits I do on my gaming rig), perhaps 32GB would be a better call just to be safe, although I could always upgrade later?

 

[ninjag]

there's also cases like the corsair 4000d airflow...no rgb or anything but a very well put together case..again not the longest, you'd have to jump to a 5000 series for that, but that's jumped in price now and i think way too much (i have a 5000x case but I wouldn't buy it now with the price tag they have now)..they're launching a 3500x which looks similar to the nv5 for £89, or you can have it with 3 rgb intake fans for £119.99..on preorder at mo...I can stick a whole load of vids up fore you to look if you want..including the 216, which has excellent reviews..was just trying to keep your costs down a bit

you're right though..the way a case looks is personal to the person buying..then you just got to find reviews to check whether any good...

Thanks, appreciate that. I think I need to digest all this info I'm getting! lol