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You're missing the point entirely. Power output has little impact on what defines a hot hatch.

You've also got your analogy round the wrong way.
 
naefeart said:
So the 3dr Sierra Cosworth is a hot hatch too?
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Well, it was hot and had a hatch...

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[TW]Fox;17998162 said:
I suppose expecting logic from somebody who has a 4 mile a day commute and STILL buys a Starlet to 'commute' in saving his Audi A3 hatchback for 'weekends' was a tall order :p
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There was plenty of logic in that decision!

I decided to buy a car in preparation for selling the Audi so I had something to drive around in as soon as it sold. Rather than buying a random banger in a rush, dad had just taken the Starlet in part-ex and let me have it for £500. It's a minter with only 25k miles on the clock, so I was always going to make a profit when re-selling it.

I ended up using the Starlet for commuting as it was so much cheaper to run, and the Audi only came out occasionally on the weekends to keep the battery charged and to stop things from seizing up.

Makes sense to me!
 
naefeart said:
Thanks for adding the pic, I wouldn't have had a clue otherwise.

Well, I'm going to say that I was firmly in the 'hot hatches defined by power' camp.
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The Sierra is still reletively quick in modern terms, over 200BHP and less than 7 seconds to 60. Puts it on terms with a lot of modern hot hatches.
 
Of course its defined by power you can have all the nimble handling in the world if its not quick its not hot is it.
 
8 seconds to 60 is plenty quick enough for a little car like that surely? It's certainly quick enough to have a bit of fun with.
 
DiamondMark said:
Of course its defined by power you can have all the nimble handling in the world if its not quick its not hot is it.
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Power is a consideration, but a hot hatch isn't defined solely by power, otherwise by these standards you wouldn't consider the likes of the 205 GTi etc. to be hot hatches.


peterattheboro said:
Is a MK1 Focus 2.0 hot?

No.
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Thanks, this only further demonstrates how power isn't entirely relevant.
 
MikeHiow said:
Power is a consideration, but a hot hatch isn't defined solely by power, otherwise by these standards you wouldn't consider the likes of the 205 GTi etc. to be hot hatches.
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Your right i wouldnt, they are a rubbish hatch, but at the time they were superb and fast. Had they not been fast they would have been another French hatch.
 
Kenai said:
8 seconds to 60 is plenty quick enough for a little car like that surely? It's certainly quick enough to have a bit of fun with.
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Plenty quick enough yes, but it's still not a 'hot' hatch. Not be any imagination... Even Mikes.

It's a warm hatch.
 
I think we're just being extremely picky about our definitions then aren't we?

I wouldn't have any issue calling that car a hot hatch. (edit - Evo include it under the category of Superminis/Hot Hatches, so would everyone be happy if it were described as a supermini instead?)

peterattheboro said:
8. something.
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8.9, almost a whole second slower.
 
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