Clutches don't wear in direct relation to number of miles, they wear by being engaged and disengaged, so if you're doing a lot of short journeys (13k miles in 4 years suggests yes) it will wear out a lot quicker in mileage terms to a car that blasts up and down a motorway every day.
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He has a team working for him. 8 guys. He doesnt want to expand anymore. Not everyone wants to grow and grow.
Do you understand not every business wants the same things or the same growth?
A leak is an emergency. A car with an issue is not...
The difference of course being that your "mate" doesn't have commitments to honour like car salesmen do. Literally every single response to you in this thread has been attempting to show you this but you refuse to see it, dunno if it's a case of not wanting to swallow pride or genuinely thinking you're right but.... you're not.
He does have commitments to honour though! He has worked booked well into 2024 and beyond. Service contracts too.
Yes, i agree, its not the same as a big car dealership. I know that. I am just stating that they could be fully booked for weeks. The OP cant expect them to push him up the list because he has a warranty on his new car..
"The workshop is stacked, who wants some overtime to help clear the backlog" is a good starter.
The problem is that as this thread shows Joe Blogs the punter is willing to wait so why bother paying time and a half or whatever they may need to in order to incentivise the techs putting and extra shift in.
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it's not the same.
if your mate oversold a service contract promising to maintain people's boilers for £X per year but then made people wait for 3 months without a boiler if there was a fault.. and on top of that said these people would invalidate their cover if they went to a non approved plumber
THEN it would be more comparable perhaps.
PS who are you to say whether or not someone being without a car is a major issue or not.
he could have a pregnant partner or an elderly parent relying on him to get them to hospital, hell even if not most work companies would not be happy with their car being broken as an excuse for not going into work for months, and not everyone can afford a taxi every day twice a day (and the bus service is not feasible where I live).
a car warranty isn't free , it is a large part of the cost of a car and most people pay for that for the piece of mind of knowing IF their car breaks down they will be back on the road quickly, without too much hassle and without a big bill.
at this point you are surely deliberately trolling.....
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I bet they don't.
I dunno what the data says but I know loads of people who've had start-stop or hybrid system failures with recent cars, a common theme being the alternator prematurely failing.
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I didn't think so.
Every car either myself, my partner or my family have purchased since the first one 10 years ago have had start stop fitted.
Number of times this system has failed: 0
The only alternator failure I've ever had on a car was my 2001 5 Series, a car which does not have stop start.
I am surprised you know loads of people who have had the opposite experience.
My only experience of a hybrid system is in my current car and I've only had it 6 months, so I don't have enough personal experience of them yet, but I can't imagine they are particularly unreliable either. Why would they be?
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2012 Ford Focus with stop/start tech. Replacement battery after 10 years. Average battery lifespan really. Battery was dying for a long time as the stop /start didn't work for a year before the battery died fully.
2015 4 series with stop/start. Still working great after 8 years, still on original battery.
2015 4 series with stop/start. Still working great after 8 years, still on original battery.
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i can't comment from experience on hybrids but stop start ... or at least the one in our pug 308 is more trouble that it's worth .
we got the car at 4 years old and the stopstart didn't work ... I spoke to a mechanic and he said it's the battery is too weak and needs replacing.
indeed a new battery DID fix it. it works fine now... however we replaced the battery 7 YEARS later when it did eventually let me down.
the amount of fuel saved is simply not worth both the money cost and the environmental cost of replacing a 12 volt car battery 7 years before it actually failed
of course this is only the system in my car. perhaps others are better.
we got the car at 4 years old and the stopstart didn't work ... I spoke to a mechanic and he said it's the battery is too weak and needs replacing.
indeed a new battery DID fix it. it works fine now... however we replaced the battery 7 YEARS later when it did eventually let me down.
the amount of fuel saved is simply not worth both the money cost and the environmental cost of replacing a 12 volt car battery 7 years before it actually failed
of course this is only the system in my car. perhaps others are better.
So there was nothing wrong with the system at all then - it just requires a certain level of battery charge to operate and your old battery was unable to provide that, so it stopped working until such time as it was replaced.
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like I said they system is more trouble than it's worth imo (at least in my car) and would have people replacing perfectly functional batteries..... I mean sure I ignored it and wasn't forced to replace the battery but each time it went for a service or MOT I had tell the mechanic to ignore it.
if the system is meant to help the environment then I question it's efficacy. if it made you replace it a few months early then maybe. but a 4 year old battery which lasted a further 7 years is not a good system imo
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On my previous car, the system worked perfectly from the day I got the car to the day I sold it 7 years later. I liked the fact I could sit in silence at the traffic lights and would probably not really be interested in a car without such a system these days.
The system on my current car is even better - it uses the mild hybrid system to restart the engine so the engine starting is so refined you don't really notice it.
The system on my current car is even better - it uses the mild hybrid system to restart the engine so the engine starting is so refined you don't really notice it.
So basically you don't know either but hasn't been a problem in your experience...
The rise of people buying cheap Kia's, etc. seems to come hand in hand with issues like this in the last 3-4 years.
Kia's aren't particularly cheap these days!
Really need an option to have a loan car if it turns out repair will take more than a couple of days, some flexibility.
My issue on warranty on new cars is the seeming short warranty on the multi-media systems (not picking on the hyundai) but I thought that was shorter 'just' 5 years than other components,
but you are snookered if the screen has gone (tesla obviously had done a recall on theirs)
that short warranty seems cynical - it's a high value item and diagnosing/fixing failing semiconductors wouldn't be cost effective - so, they just decide to make you pay.
e: forgot to say the 48v battery replacement on mild hybrid like bmw's looks like it would represent scary 2nd hand replacement costs
My issue on warranty on new cars is the seeming short warranty on the multi-media systems (not picking on the hyundai) but I thought that was shorter 'just' 5 years than other components,
but you are snookered if the screen has gone (tesla obviously had done a recall on theirs)
that short warranty seems cynical - it's a high value item and diagnosing/fixing failing semiconductors wouldn't be cost effective - so, they just decide to make you pay.
e: forgot to say the 48v battery replacement on mild hybrid like bmw's looks like it would represent scary 2nd hand replacement costs
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You're the one claiming they are a problem, not me...
What's wrong with Kia? They make good quality, reliable cars.
What issues? You've already said there is no data you've seen behind this?