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They said there will be no aluminium TR block, booo.

They also said that the TR4 bracket isn't going to be available separately to upgrade existing Supremacy blocks so can't get around it that way either, double booo lol.

Of course if you're really determined you could buy the special TR4 block, swap the bracket with a Supremacy AX (or any other Supremacy) and sell it on at a loss to somebody who wants a fatter contact plate for "reasons". But that's an expensive solution to what should be a simple problem.
 
ubersonic said:
They said there will be no aluminium TR block, booo.

They also said that the TR4 bracket isn't going to be available separately to upgrade existing Supremacy blocks so can't get around it that way either, double booo lol.

Of course if you're really determined you could buy the special TR4 block, swap the bracket with a Supremacy AX (or any other Supremacy) and sell it on at a loss to somebody who wants a fatter contact plate for "reasons". But that's an expensive solution to what should be a simple problem.
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It would be cheaper to just draft your own mount and get it cut, it would be a really simple part for laser/water cutting. Also apparently the screws are not quite flush on a normal supremacy so that may have to be dealt with too, normal supremacy are cs hence easy but the AX versions have a little recess in each corner.

JR
 
JR23 said:
It would be cheaper to just draft your own mount and get it cut, it would be a really simple part for laser/water cutting.
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I am actually thinking of buying the Threadripper block, copying the bracket then returning it (not doing this to OCUK ofc)


JR23 said:
Also apparently the screws are not quite flush on a normal supremacy so that may have to be dealt with too, normal supremacy are cs hence easy but the AX versions have a little recess in each corner.
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That wouldn't matter though would it as you would be using the same base plate and top, only the bracket sandwiched between them changes and it's still the same shape (around the block/top).
 
ubersonic said:
That wouldn't matter though would it as you would be using the same base plate and top, only the bracket sandwiched between them changes and it's still the same shape (around the block/top).
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Yes, it would matter because the cold plate wouldn't actually contact the IHS, the screws hang off the side of any other IHS but thread ripper is so big that the IHS covers them, hence why the TR4 version has a different cold plate.

Why do you need to buy one to draw it :/ just get the TR4 spec and an original bracket.

JR
 
JR23 said:
Yes, it would matter because the cold plate wouldn't actually contact the IHS, the screws hang off the side of any other IHS but thread ripper is so big that the IHS covers them, hence why the TR4 version has a different cold plate.
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It wouldn't matter, here's the new TR4 baseplate compared to the older one:
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As you can see the only difference is the extra length to give a placebo to people who want to cover the entire IHS (fins and everything on the reverse side are identical), this means that the new and old baseplates are both compatible with all existing Supremacy tops and brackets.

Now lets look at the AX one:
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As you can see the screws are pan head instead of sunk, but that makes no difference to the bracket or top and the clearances are the same. Again the baseplate is compatible with all Supremacy tops and brackets, the only difference is you have to use the pan head screws with the aluminium baseplate and the pan head ones with any others.

*EDIT*

Actually thinking about it I'm fairly sure the later generations of the old Supreme HF would also be compatible with the TR4 bracket as IIRC they were compatible with Supremacy brackets and vise versa, but I will have to test that when I get home as I don't have one to hand.
 
JR23 said:
I can see from here that the TR4 base countersinks break out of the edge and the original supremacy part does not.
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I don't mean to be rude here but are you seeing that on the comparison image I posted because if so, and I genuinely mean no offense, you need to go to specsavers. Both the new TR4 Supremacy base and the old Supremacy base (not inc the AX one) have the exact same screws, located in the exact same place. The TR4 one is the exact same block but with an additional 5mm length past the screw holes on the top and bottom sides.
 
ubersonic said:
I don't mean to be rude here but are you seeing that on the comparison image I posted because if so, and I genuinely mean no offense, you need to go to specsavers. Both the new TR4 Supremacy base and the old Supremacy base (not inc the AX one) have the exact same screws, located in the exact same place. The TR4 one is the exact same block but with an additional 5mm length past the screw holes on the top and bottom sides.
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Clearly you do mean to be rude, because that's all you've been regarding the very sensitive and personal subject of TR4 mounts, it perplexes me why you attach such epic significance to it. But i'm sure you would just love to fabricate a D15 and Supremacy mount to prove the nasty marketing villains wrong who are just trying to upsell bases with no overhang.

To an extent, you know what, I think you are correct, the overhang isn't doing much for thermal transfer. That said both EKWB and Noctua aim for perfection and implementing a bracket that would have less than desirable results for some of it's customers is never going to fly. EK's screws on countless Supremacy samples do not sit flush with the coldplate. And that is visible in the picture despite my visual impairment, but just to make that completely clear, here is a real one...

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..and yes at 40mm apart, the screws do infringe onto the IHS contact area for TR. So if EK were to supply a TR4 upgrade kit for Supremacy's it would need to include a new base, new mounting hardware, new seals, new screws and most likely a new jet plate. Or in other words every part except the top, which to me justifies a new SKU.

JR
 
JR23 said:
i'm sure you would just love to fabricate a D15 and Supremacy mount to prove the nasty marketing villains wrong who are just trying to upsell bases with no overhang
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I did actually consider it, but the profit margin would be so low it wouldn't really be worth the time, plus they might sue me lol (I may make some for myself of course).


JR23 said:
..and yes at 40mm apart, the screws do infringe onto the IHS contact area for TR. So if EK were to supply a TR4 upgrade kit for Supremacy's it would need to include a new base, new mounting hardware, new seals, new screws and most likely a new jet plate. Or in other words every part except the top, which to me justifies a new SKU.
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Well no it wouldn't need to include any of that, because as the screws on the new Thread Ripper Supremacy base are in the exact same place as every other Supremacy place it cannot possibly be an issue can it?
 
ubersonic said:
Well no it wouldn't need to include any of that, because as the screws on the new Thread Ripper Supremacy base are in the exact same place as every other Supremacy place it cannot possibly be an issue can it?
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The countersinks are deeper on the TR Supremacy so the screws sit flush and don't hold the cold plate clear of the IHS. So unless advising users to modify their original base then you would need all that stuff. Look at the image of the two base plates again. The countersinks on the TR4 base distinctly break out of the sides whereas the flat face is still visible all the way around the countersinks on a standard Supremacy base. The placement of the screws is identical but the only directly interchangeable parts would be the tops.

JR
 
What do you think guys... will the new waterblocks for tr4 have some special new design with fins above the actual cores or its just going to be a bigger version of current blocks?
 
Chaos666 said:
What do you think guys... will the new waterblocks for tr4 have some special new design with fins above the actual cores or its just going to be a bigger version of current blocks?
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EK have already confirmed the is no new fin design. It's just a 10mm longer version of the existing block.
 
Chaos666 said:
oh.. i must have missed that info ...
so its no longer square ... its going to look funny with the mount :> i got used to ek's cpu blocks being square
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It is still square, the top is a normal Supremacy-EVO part and the base is bigger underneath the bracket, covering the entire IHS.

JR
 
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