New Formula 1 Qualifying Rules!

The_Abyss said:
The FIA doesn't give a stuff about fans at the track. They get their money from the venue long before the first fan goes through the turnstiles, and get paid the same even if there's nobody behind him following.
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The FIA care because the track owners care.

They can't keep relying on state subsidised tracks.
 
muon said:
The FIA care because the track owners care.

They can't keep relying on state subsidised tracks.
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Every track other than those in Europe are government subsidised, and there's a queue of other places waiting to join. Selling tickets to have actual people turn up at the races is completely irrelevant for most circuits.
 
drunkenmaster said:
More importantly, FIA don't think short term, they don't think the next race. If every track agrees a fee this year and no fans turn up... okay maybe the FIA get paid, maybe some of those tracks actually would go bust... but who would pay the FIA next year if there was a 0% chance of making a profit? They'd all close their tracks, find a way out of the contract.
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Have you seen the plight of many of the tracks lately? They're mostly all subsidised.

drunkenmaster said:
The FIA care more about viewers/subscriptions and tv deals than fans at the track but they still care about the fans at the track. The races need to more often than not make money for the track or no venue would want to hold the races.

businesses care about anything that can make them money and it's pretty silly to pretend they don't.
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The tracks are continually squeezed within an inch of their lives to host an F1 race, and the experience of attending a race has got worse over the last decade.
 
Most of them aren't squeezed at all, just the European ones are.

Just look at how many people turn up to Bahrain, China, Russia, etc. There will be nobody at Baku this year, guarantee it.
 
The_Abyss said:
Have you seen the plight of many of the tracks lately? They're mostly all subsidised.

The tracks are continually squeezed within an inch of their lives to host an F1 race, and the experience of attending a race has got worse over the last decade.
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They are subsidised because like every large event in the world everyone involved knows full well that the economic benefit doesn't stop at the circuit limits. Hotels, taxis, transport, restaurants, etc.

This is how big business works. When the olympics are thrown, or the world cup the companies choosing to hold the event there don't think about it economically in isolation to the event, but a few million extra people who will visit London, the extra people who will fly in, book hotel rooms and pay for all kinds of other services in London. London paid say 4billion for Olympic facilities, only to gain 2billion from tickets maybe... but London itself gets another 3-4billion from increases tourist activity. If you look at the cost to throw it and the ticket sales alone it looks bad, but you can't look at it in isolation.

FIA charge X amount because the local economy(not just the track) will make a profit, the cost to bring them is shared between businesses(government/sponsors and the track itself) and the profits are shared between the same people.

If no fans show up, the track makes no money, the local hotels make no extra money, the local restaurants make no extra money and the track + local government/sponsors stop paying the FIA.

People attending is crucially important, these people pay the fees to get the race because of the economic gain, no other reason. Subsidising is just about them recognising the economic gain is greater than the tracks alone and the FIA know this and want a slice. IE the track alone might make 5mil, but the local economy will make another 5mil as well. So the FIA instead of charging the track alone 3mil leaving a 2mil profit, they charge 6-7mil, the track and the local area stump up the money and they share 3-4mil profit.
 
Reports this morning that the new format won't be seen until Spain as FOM can't get the relevant timing software etc. ready until then!

Makes it even more laughable.
 
Sounds good, let's have that for races 1 to 4, then knockout for 5 to 8, then the old system for 9 to 12, and then 2 more styles voted by the fans, and then the last race of the season is decided by a game of "Its a Knockout".
 
As you know, I'm far from the camp of claiming Bernie is a senile old fool deliberately setting out to kill F1, as others claim. F1 would have been dead years ago were it not for him.

However, as he was one of the main driving forces behind F1s current rule making committee, in this specific instance yes, he is an idiot. For both instigating the stupid system in the first place, and for thinking that a few years later everyone will have forgot he instigated it while he rants about how bad it is.
 
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