New Nikon digital FM2 (small bodied FX) on the way

and some rumoured specs:

Will be called Nikon D4H
Will use EN-EL15 battery
3" LCD Screen
EVF/OVF hybrid viewfinder
Can be used with true mirror lock up for non-AI lenses while still allowing viewing through view finder.
New hybrid mechanical shutter
No AA filter
No video in low power mode but otherwise it will have video (?)
Expeed 3A processor
Price: $3,000 for body only, $3,300 for a kit with the new 50mm f/1.8G lens
Black, Black/Sliver and Chrome version will be available

Previous info:

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/21/t...o-possible-announcement-on-november-6th.aspx/

No video.

Here are the updated rumored specifications:

Nikon FM2 like design
16.2MP 36x23,9 full frame sensor (same as in the D4?)
SD memory card
2016-pixel RGB image sensor
9-cell framing grid display
3D color matrix metering II
Native ISO range: 100-12,800 (incl. ISO 50 and ISO 108,200)
5.5 fps for up to 100 shots
3.2" LCD screen
Battery:EN-EL14
Dimensions: 143.5 x 110 x 66.5mm
Weight: 765g
It will come with a new AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens (again, not clear what mount the new lens will have)
Standard F-mount
No video recording capabilities
Pentaprism viewfinder (meaning the camera will not be mirrorless)
The camera will meter even with non-AI lenses down to full aperture
The camera will ship with a new special edition Nikkor 50mm f/1.8G lens to match the look/design of the body
The camera will have physical controls and excellent build quality (which explains the 765g weight)
Expeed 3 processor
Same sensor as in the Nikon D4
Nikon calls it a "hybrid" camera - not sure what exactly they mean with that
The announcement will be in the next few months, maybe even in the next 1-3 weeks:


Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/21/t...ouncement-on-november-6th.aspx/#ixzz2iORUubsf
 
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Potentially it could but very cool but if it does turn out to be $3000 then it's $1000 more than a D610 with a worse spec.
 
im keeping a close eye on this. A7r is originally on my agenda (waiting for quality samples) but if nikon decided to jump in with Af mount, my cash is going to nikon since most of lens are left over from my fuji s5 pro which uses the F mount.
 
For $3000 it had better be made of metal mined from the moons of Jupiter and come with a free beer for life otherwise Nikon are having laugh.
 
It's still a photographic tool no matter how retro cool it looks. I do like this sort of look but it has to perform as well. There's also the rumoured Fuji FF mirrorless to come as well (although they need to step up their AF game). I'm ripe for a change at the moment so will be interested to see how things pan out...
 
olv said:
Potentially it could but very cool but if it does turn out to be $3000 then it's $1000 more than a D610 with a worse spec.
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Columbo said:
For $3000 it had better be made of metal mined from the moons of Jupiter and come with a free beer for life otherwise Nikon are having laugh.
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I don't see $3000 being a high price for such a camera, the specs look higher than the D610 for the most part. The body is very definitely going to be much better quality, solid steel and mag alloy construction likely so you are look at D4 type body quality, if not higher with better aesthetics. It also has the D4 sensor, so it is closer to a smaller, lighter D4 that is slower but as fast as the d600.

The D4 retails for 6 grand...

You also have to consider the "smaller body and retro design" tax that all camera manufacturers seem to levy. If you make the same camera Ina. Smaller body and add some 1970s era brushed steel then you can add 50% markup to a conventional body.
 
Rojin said:
It's still a photographic tool no matter how retro cool it looks. I do like this sort of look but it has to perform as well. There's also the rumoured Fuji FF mirrorless to come as well (although they need to step up their AF game). I'm ripe for a change at the moment so will be interested to see how things pan out...
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It is as much as a tool as a diamond encrusted chopsticks compared to one made of bamboo.

If you value what a camera can do first and foremost for your money, you will not be looking at this.

That said, I do like the look of them and would love one, just not for the money it commands.
 
Rojin said:
It's still a photographic tool no matter how retro cool it looks. I do like this sort of look but it has to perform as well. There's also the rumoured Fuji FF mirrorless to come as well (although they need to step up their AF game). I'm ripe for a change at the moment so will be interested to see how things pan out...
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I think it will perform very well as well. Only thing I would want to see is the 51pit AF form the D4/D800/d7100 but the D610 AF is still very good.

It makes for a very solid FF camera line D610, D800, And this DF type camera. Something for everyone really.
 
The spec list showing the price as $3000 is fake so the price could be anything. With 16mp it won't stack up in the marketing war against the A7/R at that price so needs to be cheaper.
 
olv said:
The spec list showing the price as $3000 is fake so the price could be anything. With 16mp it won't stack up in the marketing war against the A7/R at that price so needs to be cheaper.
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I agree the price could be anything, I see it more like $2500 to put it between d610 and d800, but I can imagine $3000 as realistic if the build quality is top notch.

The megapixel count is pointless in such a comparison. The 2 best professional DSLRs on the market have 16mp and 18mp respectively (Nikon d4 and canon 1dx). Putting the highest end sensor Nikon have in a body half the price is a strong move.

Such a camera is not about having the highest MP, that is what the d800 is for. Nikon doesn't need another d800. 16Mp will work fine for the legacy glass that won't render much much detail and the casual style intended by the users.

The high resolution of the d800 is great for landscape, wildlife or sports for working professionals and dedicated prosumers. This new camera has a different market segment, more aligned to hobbiests but also potentially wedding and street work where high resolution/pixel density is not so needed. For the more amatateur landscape/wildlife/sports togs the d7100 is impossible to beat really.
 
i think the biggest breakthrough/clue is in the micro lens that leica start using. these lens make local correction allowing for shorter flange distance. sony made their own implementation on their latest FF sensor for A7/A7r and as we know nikon sensor are made by sony, so i guess both companies must have worked together to get a solution which allow the F mount flange distance to be shorten. as to price... too early to tell i think.
 
Raymond Lin said:
It is as much as a tool as a diamond encrusted chopsticks compared to one made of bamboo.

If you value what a camera can do first and foremost for your money, you will not be looking at this.

That said, I do like the look of them and would love one, just not for the money it commands.
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Oh there's definitely a "coolness" mark up, but I expect it to still be a respectable tool for photography rather than all style no substance. Of course I could well be wrong :D

I'm more interested in the Sony offerings, but I'll probably just pick up a 5D3 next year and hopefully the RX1 will plummet in price so I can get one of those as well :D
 
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D.P. said:
The high resolution of the d800 is great for landscape, wildlife or sports for working professionals and dedicated prosumers. This new camera has a different market segment, more aligned to hobbiests but also potentially wedding and street work where high resolution/pixel density is not so needed.
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It is needed. Asking me to go back to 16mp would be as welcome as a penis reduction procedure.

In all seriousness, 36mp has allowed me to use pictures that would otherwise end up in the reject pile.
 
An Exception said:
It is needed. Asking me to go back to 16mp would be as welcome as a penis reduction procedure.

In all seriousness, 36mp has allowed me to use pictures that would otherwise end up in the reject pile.
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Nikons same gen lower mp sensors have far better iso performance though than the higher mp versions. Surely that would offset your comment as I take it you are downsizing the files to hide noise that isn't intentionally applied via processing?
 
D4 does not have better ISO as I have explained to you before Link. Only people who don't have a practical grasp of this stuff judge two camera's ISO with vastly differing resolutions by comparing files at pixel level.

For weddings I import 36mp files. I straiten/crop (36mp allows generous cropping even at moderate ISO's) as necessary then export 20mp files for delivery to clients. All the files are the same size, not some 10mp others 16mp etc. as that would drive me nuts.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
It's a fashion statement, not really a tool.

A d800 if you want a tool, get this if you want to look cool.
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In many ways old school ergonomics are far better than what we have now - having solid aperture rings and a shutter dial means that you can set everything by feel without having to glance down at the top LCD. Although I doubt this Nikon will have a aperture ring around the lens mount (I do hope so though). If it's weathersealed and has all the other pro level stuff, why wouldn't it be a tool? It would be the same as a D4, but smaller.
 
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