New Nikon digital FM2 (small bodied FX) on the way

Personally it is exactly the kind of camera I expected (digital FM2) at the exact price point I expected. Of course a D800 is a much better buy but then the same goes for the sony A7r, the d800 is a far better camera in almost every way.

Manufacturers charge a premium for small cameras, and for retro designed cameras.
 
Andy90 said:
The Black one looks nicer than the Chrome one.

Don't like it though - it's trying too hard to be 'retro' - the beauty of retro Cameras is their minimalist design. I know it is hard to do when you have a ton of controls with a Digital camera, but Leica and Fuji seem to have pulled it off.

As for the price. What on earth were they thinking?
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TBH, I can't see the difference between this and any other stupid retro designed camera. They are all the same thing, pointless blend of 1970s nostalgia in modern technology. If efforts were spent elsewhere we could actually archived a functionally better camera in some aspect. E.g. If Fuji worked on interchangeable sensors then that would be a massive change in photographic potential, but no, they just make old looking cameras to sell to people who put fashion ahead of function because they cannot compete with the big boys designing functional cameras.
 
Personally I think everything has an effect on everything. I think there is something to be said about creating art from a work of art, and the inspiration that brings.

Canikon are performers, they get the job done. They are however big and bulky and dull as dishwater, but while they still outperform there will be a place for them.
Some mirrorless camera's are works of art that you WANT to pick up. They can't go toe to toe with 35mm DSLR's yet for one reason or another, but they are training hard and improving fast. Soon they will be a match for DSLR's which they already are in some applications.

I walked into a camera shop a while ago to buy a 3rd D800E. I did something I have never done before. I said to the assistant, I have no intention of buying it but can you get that fuji out of the display so I can have a looksee. That is something I would never even think to do if it was a dslr.

Fuji just know how to make beautiful cameras. Makes me want to pick one up and take beautiful pictures.
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I think Zach explains it well.
http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/
 
mrk said:
What were Nikon thinking. It's overpriced by at least £1000 and underspecced considerably with bad ergonomic layout of the knobs and they have locking pins so a nightmare using on location as a tool.

So that goes back to what's been said earlier, fashion statement, not a photographic tool.
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But it looks "cool"!

All the hipsters will buy it just for that...
 
I'm far from being a hipster but I kinda like the looks. Shame it wasn't mirrorless so a tad smaller. Not currently having a Nikon it wouldn't have bothered me at all if it had been a new mount.
 
An Exception said:
Personally I think everything has an effect on everything. I think there is something to be said about creating art from a work of art, and the inspiration that brings.

Canikon are performers, they get the job done. They are however big and bulky and dull as dishwater, but while they still outperform there will be a place for them.
Some mirrorless camera's are works of art that you WANT to pick up. They can't go toe to toe with 35mm DSLR's yet for one reason or another, but they are training hard and improving fast. Soon they will be a match for DSLR's which they already are in some applications.

I walked into a camera shop a while ago to buy a 3rd D800E. I did something I have never done before. I said to the assistant, I have no intention of buying it but can you get that fuji out of the display so I can have a looksee. That is something I would never even think to do if it was a dslr.

Fuji just know how to make beautiful cameras. Makes me want to pick one up and take beautiful pictures.
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I think Zach explains it well.
http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/
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I think it is very subjective though, personally I would way prefer this Nikon with accessible manual controls and a sensor that gives wonderful RAW files to work with rather than the PITA Fuji files. But neither camera is aimed at me, personally I see the Nikon D7100 as probably the best camera on the market write now (considering performance, cost, size, ergonomics, features, image quality, lens selection) the d800 for serious landscapers and the canon 5Dmk3 as a great all rounder (for serious sports, expedition and pro-PJ the canon 1DX and Nikon D4 are untouchable). The Olympus em1/OMD takes the winner for the smaller compact travel camera. The Sony's and Fujis just don't have a place anywhere in my camera line up. The system size is either too big when considering lenses to be worthwhile as a small travel camera, the lens line up incomplete, the functionality missing, or the performance lacking for the price.

If I want some attractive piece of art To carry around I will buy something like a watch, not something that in a few years will need replacing because the performance is too far behind.
 
Columbo said:
I'd probably agree with most of the above.
The Df also has no video & a max shutter speed of 1/4000th.

With a camera that's most likely going to have wide aperture primes on the front that seems rather silly to me.

And the price, £2750 with a 50mm holy mother of god.....

I'm afraid for me the 'want' is weak with this one.
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The originional FM2 had a max shutter of 1/4000th and shooting film you might well have been stuck with your ISO 200 colour rolls. People coped back then, they can sure as heck cope now when they can drop down to ISO 100, or god forbid, shoot at f/2.0or slower and get better photos....
 
^^^
I think most people want a camera that get's out of their way. They don't want to cope with stuff. At the price Nikon is asking, nothing should have been compromised.
 
D.P. said:
If I want some attractive piece of art To carry around I will buy something like a watch, not something that in a few years will need replacing because the performance is too far behind.
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You're not this guy are you DP?
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Anyway a watch doesn't take pictures. I didn't think people use them now they have smart phone etc.
Also, you don't HAVE to replace a camera. People replace camera's these days mostly due to want's not need's.
 
Heh, I dint own a watch!

A watch doesn't take pictures and a camera isn't a piece of art or jewelry.
 
An Exception said:
^^^
I think most people want a camera that get's out of their way. They don't want to cope with stuff. At the price Nikon is asking, nothing should have been compromised.
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Photography is all about compromises and coping with limitations. We have to cope with the the fact the natural world and human's visual perception has a far higher dynamic range than the best sensors can provide. We have to cope with the fact that we have to fight shutter speed, ISO, noise and DoF and make compromises to cope with the sensors limits. We have to compromise on focal length, lens weight and cost.
Ideally we would have a 2000mm f1.4 lens that weighs 50g and costs $100 that can be used on a camera that produces noise free images at ISO 1000000000 at 1000FPS.

In the scheme of things shooting at ISO 100 instead of 200 is not a big deal.

The price Nikon is asking is stupid, that is the small-retro tax for hipsters. The same applies to the sony A7r, the d800 is a far better camera at a similar price point. Even worse is the Hasselblad rebranded A7r....
 
D.P. said:
The originional FM2 had a max shutter of 1/4000th and shooting film you might well have been stuck with your ISO 200 colour rolls. People coped back then, they can sure as heck cope now when they can drop down to ISO 100, or god forbid, shoot at f/2.0or slower and get better photos....
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The market has moved on. At nearly £3k this shouldnt be missing basic industry standard features such as video or 1/8000th.

Nikon are trying to sell a BMW 5 series for the same price as a Maybach and wrapping it in a different paint job.

Compromise at this end of of the market is simply not an option imo. But then again I'm a tight git and I'm sure this has got the Leica crowd jizzing in their pants.
 
Columbo said:
The market has moved on. At nearly £3k this shouldnt be missing basic industry standard features such as video or 1/8000th.

Nikon are trying to sell a BMW 5 series for the same price as a Maybach and wrapping it in a different paint job.

Compromise at this end of of the market is simply not an option imo. But then again I'm a tight git and I'm sure this has got the Leica crowd jizzing in their pants.
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I don't see it as compromise at all but design. The lack of video was a choice, many people don't want that in a DSLR at all. This camera is about photography, "pure" photography, not video. Video makes no sense at all on such a camera. The shutter speed is most likely the same thing, the film cameras never had a 1/8000th shutter speed on the dial, Nikon reproduced that behavior.

Again, the pricing is irrelevant, there is a premium for the retro style.

Personally I find it stupid, just buy a d600 or D800 and be done.
 
D.P. said:
I don't see it as compromise at all but design. The lack of video was a choice, many people don't want that in a DSLR at all. This camera is about photography, "pure" photography, not video. Video makes no sense at all on such a camera. The shutter speed is most likely the same thing, the film cameras never had a 1/8000th shutter speed on the dial, Nikon reproduced that behavior.
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Video 'may' be a choice to 'simply' the camera. If 1/4000 is a design choice, then someone at Nikon should have already been fired. I can not stress enough how idiotic it would be to leave out 1/8000 because the old film camera had 1/4000.
 
D.P. said:
Photography is all about compromises and coping with limitations. We have to cope with the the fact the natural world and human's visual perception has a far higher dynamic range than the best sensors can provide. We have to cope with the fact that we have to fight shutter speed, ISO, noise and DoF and make compromises to cope with the sensors limits. We have to compromise on focal length, lens weight and cost.
Ideally we would have a 2000mm f1.4 lens that weighs 50g and costs $100 that can be used on a camera that produces noise free images at ISO 1000000000 at 1000FPS.
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Photography isn't 'about' compromise. Compromise is not the subject. It just so happens that the tools are not limitless and thus compromise exists.
People don't want compromise. It get's in their way.
 
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