New Nvidia card: Codename "GF100"

Orangey · 30 Sep 2009 at 17:44

It'll be £650 with launch gouging, RRP of £600, "certain people" will buy it and their argument for doing so will go thusly:

- "trades blows" with 5870x2 (in Crysis and maybe 1 other game)
- they still think microruckler exists
- £350 is a "fair premium" for the best single card, even though it is only 10% faster than a 5870/5890
- £350 extra is worth it not to have to deal with those "awful" ATI drivers :rolleyes:

- CUDA & PhysX mate tbh
- they "just prefer nvidia and IT'S MY MONEY blah blah blah"

Monkeynut · 30 Sep 2009 at 17:50

I don't care about the highest end OMGWTF ££££tenbillionpoundsjustfortheheatsink card, the midrange is where the real war is fought.

Duff-Man · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:04

Orangey said:
It'll be £650 with launch gouging, RRP of £600, "certain people" will buy it and their argument for doing so will go thusly:

I don't understand why people seem to want to pull these random huge prices out of the air... First £500, and now £650? Where are you getting this from?

Orangey · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:06

Duff-Man said:
I don't understand why people seem to want to pull these random huge prices out of the air... First £500, and now £650? Where are you getting this from?

History.

Duff-Man · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:06

Orangey said:
History.

Do enlighten us then.

The most expensive nvidia GPU was the GTX280, which retailed at $650, at a time when there was no competition. As soon as viable competition appeared (two weeks later), the price was reduced by $150. Now you want us to believe that this card will retail at over $850, against strong competition? Be realistic.

Happy · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:07

Orangey said:
It'll be £650 with launch gouging, RRP of £600, "certain people" will buy it and their argument for doing so will go thusly:

- "trades blows" with 5870x2 (in Crysis and maybe 1 other game)
- they still think microruckler exists
- £350 is a "fair premium" for the best single card, even though it is only 10% faster than a 5870/5890
- £350 extra is worth it not to have to deal with those "awful" ATI drivers
- CUDA & PhysX mate tbh
- they "just prefer nvidia and IT'S MY MONEY blah blah blah"

In fairness there are several fair points there, just because you don't agree with them don't bash others.

Duff-Man said:
Do enlighten us then.

The most expensive nvidia GPU was the GTX280, which retailed at $650, at a time when there was no competition. As soon as viable competition appeared (two weeks later), the price was reduced by $150. Now you want us to believe that this card will retail at over $850, against strong competition? Be realistic.

I can only remember the H20 Ultras being around £600, not a base model top end card.

Jokester · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:08

I can't think of any top end single chip GPU that has come out at significantly more than £400.

Farore · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:08

For a second, I thought this was going to be another circus trick from Nvidia with their naming game. :z

Duran · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:09

The next generation doesnt start until Nvidia says so. interesting news and gotta love the haters pulling random numbers out of their a$$es.

madindehead · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:11

All these crazy prices are coming from people who wan't Nvidia to fail. Or that's the way it feels at least.

Why on EARTH would Nvidia sell a graphics card for over £400 when there is good competition. Really. Anyone would think you are saying Nvidia know jack **** about business.

straxusii · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:12

straxusii said:
It's entirely possible the high end part will be 50% faster than 5870 given the specs we've seen so far - 384 bit GDDR5 plus double the number of stream processors.

If it does beat the 5870 by that kind of margin then the bad news for people waiting for it is it will be priced at around £400-£500

I think this is a fair assessment, given the 8800GTX was ~£450 at launch.

Duff-Man · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:12

Fair enough, water-cooled parts or special edition parts (like the mars bar) will command rediculously high prices. This is a consequence of a niche market. The standard high-end single GPU part will not be much more than £400 at the very most.

The most likely scenario is a $499 retail price, which would translate to around £375 given current exchange rate, VAT, and small import costs.

Orangey · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:15

Duran said:
The next generation doesnt start until Nvidia says so.

What will you do when people realize you're just having a laugh and not an actual fanboy?

bru · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:18

Duff-Man said:
I don't understand why people seem to want to pull these random huge prices out of the air... First £500, and now £650? Where are you getting this from?

its the same reason people thought the 5870 was going to be £1.79p its just another excuse to run down nvidia. as it is these people have enough reasons to moan at nvidia without having to manufacture new ones.

queamin · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:25

It depends on size of the gpu and yields to what it will cost, nvidia will not worry if it is £100 more than the 5870 if it is faster just like the 280 was quite a bit over the 4870 and the gap widened as time went on as the 4870 dropped in price a lot more than the 280

Duran · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:27

Orangey said:
What will you do when people realize you're just having a laugh and not an actual fanboy?

you overestimate the intelligence of an average person

That phrase actually comes from Sony when they were hyping the ps3. everybody knows how that ended...

Doppleganger · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:30

Duff-Man said:
Also, do you have any links to show the effect of separate memory and core clocking with the 5870? I would be surprised if raising the memory bandwidth really does have such a small effect.

"In practically every case the 5870 card scaled best when the GPU/shaders were OC’ed rather than memory: performance typically improved by 4-5% in most apps when the GPU was running at 930MHz, while OC’ing the memory to 1320MHz only improved performance by 2-3% in the same games."

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5850_performance_preview/page20.asp

TheRealDeal · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:35

straxusii said:
I think this is a fair assessment, given the 8800GTX was ~£450 at launch.

Depends what 8800gtx you got my mates at launch cost over £500 from here and was a bfg.

Duff-Man · 30 Sep 2009 at 18:35

Doppleganger said:
"In practically every case the 5870 card scaled best when the GPU/shaders were OC’ed rather than memory: performance typically improved by 4-5% in most apps when the GPU was running at 930MHz, while OC’ing the memory to 1320MHz only improved performance by 2-3% in the same games."

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5850_performance_preview/page20.asp

Thanks, doppleganger.

I expected that the core clock would be the most important thing, but it's good to see that there is still some improvement to be had from memory bandwidth increases.

the_jetsetwilly · 30 Sep 2009 at 19:07

lol price guessing game

about 7 years a go i dropped £350 for an Asus GF3 Ti 500 "deluxe" it came with 3d glasses.

so i recon the next fastest single GPU from NV will be based on the above and inflation will be £425