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New Shiny GPU's Coming Soon - Ordering Process to guarantee highest queue position
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Just one I think, the Founders 5090. I haven't seen any others so far.
my understanding liquid metal is gonna be used also
AIB cards that are in stock on release week/month will be much, much more than FE. Probably some will go for £2500-3000. That's what happened for the 3090 and 4090.
I'm sure there'll be one AIB card blower style that has 50 units of stock that'll be £10 cheaper or something - but these will last a millisecond before selling out.
I get that the mfgs will exploit the customer base - what i was getting at is the manufacturing cost for the FE would be higher than most of the AIBs, the difference being nvidia obviously have the chip at cost.
There's going to be much less raw material in the FE (2 slots) compared to the huge oversized AIB cards, that'll factor in. Copper, aluminium prices etc are all up.
Guess it depends how costly the advanced vapour chamber on the FE is. I just want wait to see it measured by techpowerup in DB, to see if it's actually quieter than the 3090FE/4090FE.
now that, id love to see. haven't grabbed an FE card in a while but if they use liquid metal as well id be well onboard.
I think you're underestimating the price of that PCB theyve made. I'm not sure what material the FE's vapor chamber is, most are copper and aluminium i can't imagine that part of it changes the price that much. All i know is the AIBs i've seen are all following on from the same typical, cheaper design and materials theyve always used, yet nvidia have gone above and beyond to design something sleak and lets assume efficient (a la more expensive due to new tooling etc).
Also lets remember that nvidia make WAY more money on these than the 60 or 70 class, premium pricing and now monopoly pricing. Nvidia changed their design on the gpu last gen, which is why their pricing went up (along with other obvious factors) and their manufacturing processes went up quite a lot as they thought the mining bubble wasnt going to burst like it did, which sorta shafted them a little bit, i imagine those costs have now come down so these chips are generally cheaper, comparitively, to the 40 gen.
I dont know how much money nvidia make on the chips to AIBs but i'd imagine it'd be the offset in the FE/AIB design costs.
I may be off the mark but i remember researching this a couple of years back when looking into the 40 series and was pretty shocked at the profits they were making per card.
Are we going to see more models of the 5090 listed on OCUK? None of the ones up at the moment really tickle my fancy. I know this may seem an odd pick, but I'd quite like an Inno3D - their 4090 has been fantastic for me, with good thermals and no coil whine at all.
We'll never know for sure - though it's still my opinion that the larger AIB cards with between two to three times more copper, aluminium, nickel, heatpipes etc compared to the FE edition will be more expensive to produce.
R&D cost for the 5090 FE cooler is no doubt high - but many of the technologies for connecting the 3 PCB's are already in use on laptops, plus this is a one off cost and not a persistent per card expense like the AIB cards have with their much larger bill of materials.
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Wouldn't it be much smarter for them to use proper phase changing pads instead? Unlike LM, they are completely problem free and barely any worse.
Cooler itself is a tiny fraction of the cost of the GPU of that class. You can get even bigger pc coolers (full of mentioned metals) in retail for below 40 quid. The biggest GPU coolers cost in production likely around 20-30 quid at most. Of course the moment they put "gaming" sticker on them that turns into 300 quid ;D
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This is true, i wish we would know; it fascinates me. From an engineering perspective i find the AIB cards this time around much less impressive; however we might find out they massively out perform the FE.
The fact the AIBs have used the same style of cooling just suggests theyve cut costs there by modifying tooling rather than an all-new design like they had to with the 40 series.
The tooling is expensive and obviously the more you sell the cheaper you can sell it for, with CPU coolers they can be cheaper cos they tend to suit pretty much all CPUs. GPU heat sinks cant do that, so their individual cost goes up, they also have to be much better than CPU coolers due to the increase is thermal displacement required. I agree with the jist though.
This is obviously way more complex than we could ever imagine and none of us know, like dave said, and never will know who's "right". It's an interesting discussion never-the-less.
Where? Haven't come across any - very curious
Same here with the Inno3d 4090. Well happy to have no coil whine after hearing so many had issues with the 40 series.
Gigabyte(cant remember, maybe linus? maybe Paul) and Zotac (Pauls hardware) are both making MSRP level cards (and better ofc).
As i said in my previous estimation, i cant see how they cant make MSRP cards this time around. Time will tell with official announcements, but know, the videos i watched were under the watchful eyes of the manufacturers at CES)
I saw the Paul's hardware video that said the zotac solid card was an MSRP card.
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Contractually all AIBs have to launch with a mrsp card at least. It's been the same for every recent generation I can remember.
Never preordered a gpu before but is it just me that finds it odd to preorder something you don’t know the price of?
Is it a matter of getting a spot in the queue, then deciding after the price is revealed whether you want to go ahead or not.
Is it a matter of getting a spot in the queue, then deciding after the price is revealed whether you want to go ahead or not.