New Star Trek series - 2017

I really like this season.
It's not just focused on Michael. Which is what it was. And what star trek isn't.

Its about a crew. Its about touching on issues we have in society and addressing them in a thematic way.

Season 3 is finally moving towards what made star trek great, and at same time making it work in current time.

I think it's fantastic. Much better than season 2 which I thought was a mess.
 
I think if I was to pick it would be that that many years in the future, everything isn't different enough. Think it should have been a couple of hundred years
 
413x said:
I think if I was to pick it would be that that many years in the future, everything isn't different enough. Think it should have been a couple of hundred years
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That has been gnawing at me.

Warp drive - humanity figured it out in 2063, Vulcans and others had already been using it, and no-one in the galaxy invented anything better until the Burn in the 3060s-80s?

Quantum torpedoes - invented by Starfleet as an anti-Borg weapon with the Defiant project in the late 2360s, but still in use by United Earth defence forces in 3189? Hell, Voyager even brought home super-duper transphasic torpedoes that could one-hit kill a Borg cube in 2378.

And then there's the short-sightedness of Starfleet and Section 31 when they covered up the Discoball's existence, including the spore drive that doesn't require dilithium to function. Can run ships functions off of an inpulse engine (fusion) reactor or much smaller M/AM reactor with a dilithium scrap and do all the FTL travel powered by the spore network. Just need a better/more reliable interface than a person, and since we're doubtless going to see the plucky crew of the Discoball figure that one out this season...

Earlier in the thread I bemoaned that Enterprise didn't do enough with it's 'untamed frontier in early attempt at starship' premise. STD is making the same mistake, but instead of being too advanced it's not advanced enough (fancy nanotech interfaces and furniture the sole nods to this being the 3080s).
 
JRS said:
Warp drive - humanity figured it out in 2063, Vulcans and others had already been using it, and no-one in the galaxy invented anything better until the Burn in the 3060s-80s?
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Pretty sure there was no dilithium on the original Pheonix as well, so its not needed for warp travel, so a lack of dilithium shouldn't really be hitting people that much.

Also, whats all this theory avbot the trill being Dax, really, are people that caught up on one character that they have to drag it that far?


Granted have only seen the first 2 episodes so far, but the whole Disco thing isn't bothering me that much otherwise I wouldn't be part of this thread or reading spoilers..
 
Well for me I need my monster of the week Generation style to enjoy Star Trek it seems, the whole woke feels episode was just to much for me. Each to their own but I want the science, not the emotion.
Nearly as bad as episodes centered around Deana Troy (terrible attempt to seem like a hardened Romulan) or Crusher (sex ghost candle, right?) which my be inadvertently sexist by my brain, but those episodes sucked..
 
I didn’t enjoy the last episode. I know what they are trying to do in looking it issues in our society and tackling them in the show, which is something that Star Trek has always done. However it feels so forced that it leads to clumsy and unsubtle dialogue and a lack of good story writing or plot in each episode.

I think they should rebalance the show to be less about the overall story arc and concentrate a little more on getting a decent, coherent episode out. Enterprise and DS9 found this balance pretty well. Something as episodic as TNG probably wouldn’t work as well today.
 
Neil79 said:
And sure enough......

Tilly Crying
Gay man having a moment, again
Lesbians being..... Lesbian

Eastenders in space! :mad:
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Well, that's the real problem isn't it? Not the myriad other actual, structural issues with it. Nope, it's the LGBTQ+∞ characters. May God bless certain portions of Trek fandom...'cause no other bugger would bless 'em :p

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JRS said:
Well, that's the real problem isn't it? Not the myriad other actual, structural issues with it. Nope, it's the LGBTQ+∞ characters. May God bless certain portions of Trek fandom...'cause no other bugger would bless 'em /QUOTE]
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They are just symptoms of the fact that the whole show is now agenda driven relationship drama. It's literally written by CW writers.
 
I don't actually think it's an agenda, I mean it could be, but with how utterly brash certain facets of the 'inclusion' are, I'm beginning to think it's actually some form of humour.

Either way, I can imagine why the Trill would be more androgynous in terms of their personality, so at least they came up with a plausible story for these character, it's more effort than I was expecting.
 
StriderX said:
I don't actually think it's an agenda, I mean it could be, but with how utterly brash certain facets of the 'inclusion' are, I'm beginning to think it's actually some form of humour.

Either way, I can imagine why the Trill would be more androgynous in terms of their personality, so at least they came up with a plausible story for these character, it's more effort than I was expecting.
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Kurtzman has publicly stated that they are not interested in Trek except as a socio-political platform to get their influencer messaging across. Good writing, characters, story, etc is all secondary to that, and they really don't have capable people doing those jobs.
 
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