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Soldato
Please show me where I get one of these
A showroom.
Interestingly the two vocal ones around your post are both still textbook engineers so real world application is yet to strike them down.
I'm an Electronic Engineer with a mere 2 years real world experience, I picked up a textbook knowledge of motors while I was studying Electronics. So unless I move into the automotive industry It'll stay fairly textbook. Isn't Fox a textbook accountant?
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[TW]Fox;18301478 said:
Why would a market suddenly vanish if you can deliver more power for the same cost by having a well designed engine?
It's all about sizing the turbo correctly (which means getting good quality data about the actual turbo), getting a good quality turbo, and designing the engine and heads well.
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Caporegime
It's the TSI engine.
Since you seem to know better than the whole VW / Audi / Skoda group why don't you contract yourself out to them for 1k a day?
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Or make it cheap by binning all of that and using a readily available engine thats more than up to the job and will suit %99 of buyers.
Soldato
Yeti's a brilliant little car - I've only driven the top diesel versions, mind, but they were ace. A little too much body roll sometimes but then it's a tall car with relatively soft suspension 
There were a few things I didn't like though - it doesn't have a spare wheel, just a puncture kit, which isn't much good if you take a tyre off a rim, and the majority of buttons are too fiddly to use when you're wearing gloves.
There were a few things I didn't like though - it doesn't have a spare wheel, just a puncture kit, which isn't much good if you take a tyre off a rim, and the majority of buttons are too fiddly to use when you're wearing gloves.
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Soldato
Why they dont want a market leading anything. Why would they spend money when they have engines readily available that are more than up to the job. As demonstrated the Yeti is a superb all round car and really does well with what it has...
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Because what would be the point?
It's designed to fit into a market - a market which contains a number of similar cars with similar figures which are easily comparable. A 200bhp Yeti would be pointless and serve no purpose - it would be more powerful than a car at this pricepoint and market position needs to be, therefore the additional power would provide no benefit and may even put some of the customers off. So if you DID have a 200bhp Yeti, you'd need to position it higher up the market, and you'd receive less sales as a result (Few sales of a model are made up of the very top of the range).
Buyer perception is crucial. Note I said perception. Perception might not be reality but it's what the average consumer will use to ascertain whether they wish to make a purchase or not. It is perceived that a 200bhp car is fast, thirsty and too fast for Mr Average who wants a practical Yeti style car. So they wont buy it, because they don't want it. The competition is all around the 130-160bhp range, the Yeti is already slightly more powerful than it needs to be.
There *is* a market for 200bhp+ cars, but it doesnt contain many people who want a Yeti.
Engineering is completely worthless if nobody buys what you engineer. Sounds like you need to learn the link between engineering and sales. Because with no sales, there is no engineering.
It's designed to fit into a market - a market which contains a number of similar cars with similar figures which are easily comparable. A 200bhp Yeti would be pointless and serve no purpose - it would be more powerful than a car at this pricepoint and market position needs to be, therefore the additional power would provide no benefit and may even put some of the customers off. So if you DID have a 200bhp Yeti, you'd need to position it higher up the market, and you'd receive less sales as a result (Few sales of a model are made up of the very top of the range).
Buyer perception is crucial. Note I said perception. Perception might not be reality but it's what the average consumer will use to ascertain whether they wish to make a purchase or not. It is perceived that a 200bhp car is fast, thirsty and too fast for Mr Average who wants a practical Yeti style car. So they wont buy it, because they don't want it. The competition is all around the 130-160bhp range, the Yeti is already slightly more powerful than it needs to be.
There *is* a market for 200bhp+ cars, but it doesnt contain many people who want a Yeti.
Engineering is completely worthless if nobody buys what you engineer. Sounds like you need to learn the link between engineering and sales. Because with no sales, there is no engineering.
Oh ok then, I wonder what the remap potential is on that compared to the old 1.8Ts?
Soldato
You were at uni doing Formula Student a few months ago.... Thats as close as to building a full car whilst meeting legislation and crippling time deadline with budget contraints as it gets.
Which turbo is this that holds boost for such a wide rev range with +75 adiabatic efficiency yet holds turbine inlet pressures below 2 times MAP?
Which showroom do we go to?
Carry over components - get ready for it
How much is realistically carried over though in an engine, the block and head is a whole new casting for a new family of engines ... so realistically you are only talking about internals here, which can be carried over anyway if they are up to the job of handling the power
Soldato
lol
Aircleaner, intercooler. mate I could go on all day.... its kinda my job.
Material costs is the bottom line with the TFLE of any new program being the cost of tools, the parts are pennies so if you suddently have to absorb a complete range of new parts you better be ready to spend.
Freelander to Evoque = 70% new parts.
Aircleaner, intercooler. mate I could go on all day.... its kinda my job.
Material costs is the bottom line with the TFLE of any new program being the cost of tools, the parts are pennies so if you suddently have to absorb a complete range of new parts you better be ready to spend.
Freelander to Evoque = 70% new parts.
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Caporegime
No idea, but odds are it's around the same as the old 1.8T, not kept up with these things since i've got very little interest in small capacity turbo engines these days.
Here is a quick graph someone came up with for an 8L V16 using dual turbos.
Look at the red Torque NM 1 line ...
In the end we changed the design to quad turbos for boost from IDLE, but I do not have the theoretical graph for that to hand
Caporegime
Wiki suggests it's K03 equipped, so it'd probably be good for 190 if you wanted to push it. I somewhat suspect this would be a rare occurence in a Yeti though
Interesting idea, buy one when they get to 8k stick a biger turbo and intercooler on then run around in a 250bhp 4wd yeti....
I must admit i knew nothing about the Yeti and wouldn't have given it a second look, but its kinda cool, just not 20k cool.
Those are all auxiliary parts to the engine, and can still be carried over most of the time
I was really talking about DIRECT parts, such as block/internals/head/crank/cams/etc
Soldato
Rypt - Thats a mickey mouse graph?
I want one of these - and thats just for the compressor.
I want one of these - and thats just for the compressor.
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