New UFO files released in UK

Teki, you and I have very different opinions and that's fine. An opinion is an opinion, right or wrong. Where your arguement weakens is when you then launch into :

Teki187 said:
Whether there lizardmen or Chinese military, it is disturbing the frequency in which these UFO reports are getting reported.
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Lizardmen? Chinese miltary? At least try and focus your point :confused:
 
dmpoole said:
I've posted this many times on here but here is my problem with UFO sightings and that they MAYBE Alien in nature.

At this point in time we have now got one main Alien - the Grey.
Go back a few decades and Aliens came in all sizes & shapes but if anybody sees an Alien now then it's a Grey.
There have been 1000s of UFO shapes spotted over the years which means that there must be a 1000 different races visiting us.
Lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that each Alien race has got 5 totally distinct craft each and that will still leave us with 200 races.
So for me until observers start seeing one/two different shaped craft with a Grey then I'm not going to take any of them seriously.
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Maybe all the aliens have been on Pimp My Ufo
 
So this thread spawned a little conversation between me and my coworker. Let's say we identify a star that has some large planets surrounding it (I think we've discovered about 300 extrasolar planets so far), and one of them appears to have something within the habitable zone of that star
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Currently Gliese 581 d, the third planet of the red dwarf star Gliese 581 (approximately 20 light years from Earth), appears to be the best example yet discovered of a possible terrestrial exoplanet that orbits close to the habitable zone surrounding its star.
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So let's say we decide to pack up the family and hit the road:

With our current technology we can probably get around 150,000 MPH (Helios pulled off a solar slingshot that was able to get up to that speed). That will put us at one light year in approximately 4467.2 years, or 223.6 generations.

Let's assume we can efficiently transport the materials and people to space and build a large enough ship, or basically a extra-terrestrial housing complex, to hold a thousand families (we don’t want any crossbreeding), complete with shopping malls and entertainment. Let’s say this is a space version of the John Hancock Center in Chicago (345m tall, 1.45 billion cubic meters).

Let's assume we have deflectors and collectors that are able to process iron ore and other minerals that we can intercept from space dust and other stuff, and we can expand our ship to continue being able to support the growing population.

Let’s assume we have rules in place to maintain a population growth rate of 0.3%/year (eg ½ of China’s). After 4467.2 years that gives us a population of about 2.5 billion people.

We are living a happy life. We have plenty of work to do and opportunity for expansion. We live out our days in comfy flats. We keep going and going and expanding our ship.

After our first light year of travel, our ship has grown to 3.6 × 10^15 cubic meters, or about twice as large as our moon.

We gave up and didn’t bother to figure out the numbers after another nineteen light years distance, especially since our math is probably off anyway. :p


So when we get there 85,000 years later, we could have a ship around the size of Jupiter traveling 150,000 miles per hour. It would probably be a good idea to camp out outside of their solar system and use shuttles to visit their planets. Of course, their scientists have already discovered us and may be starting to send probes themselves. So, realistically, we could have smaller vessels visiting them, interacting with their cows and such. But I don't think we'd travel that far and not say "oh hai!!" to everyone on the planet.
 
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dmpoole said:
I've posted this many times on here but here is my problem with UFO sightings and that they MAYBE Alien in nature.

At this point in time we have now got one main Alien - the Grey.
Go back a few decades and Aliens came in all sizes & shapes but if anybody sees an Alien now then it's a Grey.
There have been 1000s of UFO shapes spotted over the years which means that there must be a 1000 different races visiting us.
Lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that each Alien race has got 5 totally distinct craft each and that will still leave us with 200 races.
So for me until observers start seeing one/two different shaped craft with a Grey then I'm not going to take any of them seriously.
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The problem with this though is that it doesn't matter what the colour or kind an ET is-the response will still be the same.
 
I reckon the theory that UFOs are actually humans travelling back in time is more plausable than alien visitors. It would explain why they are always sighted in remote locations.
 
According to some theories and calculations by Stephen Hawking Time Travel to the past is not and will not be possible but only time travel in to the future and only when a supermassive object is nearby (the massive object such as a black hole would bend and slow down time for the traveller (who would have to be passing it at a certain speed and angle in order to not get sucked into the black hole) so when they leave its vicinity they would have emerged into the future, something like a weeks orbit would equal so many years in standard time outside of the traveller's "ship").

See the Into The Universe series by Hawking!
 
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Waste of money for any UFO project. Any aliens/civilisation with the technology to travel from other galaxies to our would never waste their time to just spy on us. What would the point be, they would be so advanced technologically they could just do whatever they wished with us.
 
Interesting that you mention travelling from other galaxies.

Is the nearest one to us not over 2,000,000 light years from Earth ? That would take some engine to cover such distances.

At about 40,000mph, which no man made object has ever achieved, it would still take us well in excess of 100,000 years to reach our nearest star system at a mere distance of 4.4 LY.

Mind boggling to comprehend.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Interesting that you mention travelling from other galaxies.

Is the nearest one to us not over 2,000,000 light years from Earth ? That would take some engine to cover such distances.

At about 40,000mph, which no man made object has ever achieved, it would still take us well in excess of 100,000 years to reach our nearest star system at a mere distance of 4.4 LY.

Mind boggling to comprehend.
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That why we need warp drive or other FTL travel. Which still may be possible.
 
Khaaan! said:
According to some theories and calculations by Stephen Hawking Time Travel to the past is not and will not be possible but only time travel in to the future and only when a supermassive object is nearby (the massive object such as a black hole would bend and slow down time for the traveller (who would have to be passing it at a certain speed and angle in order to not get sucked into the black hole) so when they leave its vicinity they would have emerged into the future, something like a weeks orbit would equal so many years in standard time outside of the traveller's "ship").

See the Into The Universe series by Hawking!
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I am aware of all of that. But theories are just theories. I'm sure 1000 years ago flight would have seemed impossible not to mention spaceflight.
 
Reading through many of the (typical) responses in this thread it's clear that OCUK has to be one of the closed minded forums on the internet.
 
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