New UFO files released in UK

[apatia77]

Interesting that you mention travelling from other galaxies.

Is the nearest one to us not over 2,000,000 light years from Earth ? That would take some engine to cover such distances.

At about 40,000mph, which no man made object has ever achieved, it would still take us well in excess of 100,000 years to reach our nearest star system at a mere distance of 4.4 LY.

Mind boggling to comprehend.

Exactly, that's why all UFO stories are not true.

The short "The Universe with Stephen Hawking" series give you the idea how big the universe is, how much energy is needed to get anywhere in space and the enormous amount of time it takes. I believe in science and not some rubbish newspaper articles.

 

[mrk]

I am aware of all of that. But theories are just theories. I'm sure 1000 years ago flight would have seemed impossible not to mention spaceflight.

1000 years ago understanding of current particle physics and the universe and everything was unheard of too, heck black holes were not even confirmed to exist 100 years ago. Today they can develop them through computer simulation too after punching in the math and these will become even more accurate after CERN has finished its research for example and if/when it discovers new particles such as the higgs boson and then figure out a way in the future to manipulate the mass of a particle - that would be the day!

I'm still following Hawking's talk on time travel though, it's the most logical theory so far that I've seen or read about and it makes sense.

 

[Surfer]

why are ufos interesting?

Is it about the meaning of existence? Do we think "they" will have answers more palatable to what our current scientific knowledge tells us?

I suppose from a pragmatic technological standpoint it'd be useful to know more about them (acquire ufo - learn from its technology, assuming ofc its e.t. and not some other natual or man-made phenomena)

 

[Antar Bolaeisk]

Reading through many of the (typical) responses in this thread it's clear that OCUK has to be one of the closed minded forums on the internet.

I think it's more the fact that people here refuse to blindly believe everything they're told about UFOs. Certainly in the 40s and 50s there would have been a lot of new aerial technology in development which could plausibly have frightened a lot of people and made them think of aliens which would lead to a lot of these reports.

Now, I'm not refuting that strange things happen, because they do, and nobody can claim to explain some of the weirder things in this world but to immediately pin such happenings on extra-terrestrial activity is ludicrous at best. I would quite happily believe in Aliens but I'd want to see them, hear them and touch them for myself, rumours and reports of strange lights in the sky just aren't enough for me.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I think it's more the fact that people here refuse to blindly believe everything they're told about UFOs. Certainly in the 40s and 50s there would have been a lot of new aerial technology in development which could plausibly have frightened a lot of people and made them think of aliens which would lead to a lot of these reports.

Now, I'm not refuting that strange things happen, because they do, and nobody can claim to explain some of the weirder things in this world but to immediately pin such happenings on extra-terrestrial activity is ludicrous at best. I would quite happily believe in Aliens but I'd want to see them, hear them and touch them for myself, rumours and reports of strange lights in the sky just aren't enough for me.

Indeed, it's not about being closed minded, it's about having a healthy scepticism to media reports.

 

[Tunney]

Waste of money for any UFO project. Any aliens/civilisation with the technology to travel from other galaxies to our would never waste their time to just spy on us. What would the point be, they would be so advanced technologically they could just do whatever they wished with us.

Intergalactic David Attenborough is here to film new documentary for Intergalactic BBC.

 

[ojrules]

having released chinese lanterns, and seen in the news paper claims of UFO's, and people claiming both the object being stationary, and travelling faster than a plane- and knowing these claims refer to the lanterns, i can say that i am very sceptical regarding peoples testomonies.... also i don't see why alien species would travel all the way to earth ( and it is stupendous distances, and timescales), just to fly around, take some pictures and probe some cattle... seems a little useless to me...

 

[TangoSixteen]

Its pretty obvious to anyone with a brain bigger than a retarted bluebottle that it will and is possible to traverse the vast distances in space.

We know space time can be manipulated and bent, and in a huge amount of UFO reports, there are instances where the object has instantaneously moved a mile away and then moved again and again. All within the blink of any eye.

Its pretty clear that with this type of technology, the object stays stationery, and its space time that is bent around it, thus enabling such massive massive speeds.

Its funny listening to people state whats possible and whats not, just like the people that SWORE that the Earth was flat, and drowned witches!

People with small minds will naturally be skeptical, as their lack of imagination to comprehand anything beyond their SKY TV box or playstation is the limiting factor.

The FACTS are that:-

UFOs are spotted ALL the time.
NASA Astronaughts and SpaceStation occupants have seen some wierd craft in space
Reputable witnesses come forward all the time.
The growing number of reports is probably also down to our rapidly increasing population density.
If you have a brain and look at the numbers, the chances of us being the only life in the Universe or even the Galaxy are billions to one.


My personal opinion is that a lot of sightings that could well be from other planets are probably UNmanned craft from another civilisation (most plausible) coming to earth and investigating, just like we have done to Venus and Mars Etc.

 

[mrk]

Space time is bent in the natural universe anyway - black holes are doing this right now for example so yes technology to manipulate a craft to use it to travel vast distances would be entirely possible (and logical) in that scenario.

If physicists say it;s impossible to travel FTL then that's fine because the ability for spacetime to move instead appears to exist eliminating the need to move FTL!

 

[Glaucus]

It's like any other phenomina, which have been disproved with advancment of technology.

take spontaneous human combustion, which turns out to be nothing of the sort. Through experiements.

UFOs are the same. Large number is people not understanding what they see. if you live close to an airport, you will occasionally see airplanes which appear to have no blinking lights or, look like they have no wings. But it's just the angle you are looking at them and once they start banking, you see the full shape.

then there is a lot of mistaken identity, either current milliatry aircraft or top secret craft and testing. Just have to look at the sighting of the stealth planes, Sr77 and others. They where all sighted as UFOs and many believed of alien origin.

Or several reportings of a saucer with several smaller circles, funny that America released blue prints which are identical to what people drew. Apparently America never built or tested them.

then natural phenomena. That so far we do not understand.

Things like ball lightning, do Aliens cause earthqaukes, or do earthqaukes cause some natural phenomena. we don't yet understand. i know which one is more likely.

There's also that hill range in Australia, with a road either side that runs parallel. People thought they where being followed by Aliens. Turns out after investigations, that in certain atmospheric conditions, car beams can be reflected/refracted over the hill. As the roads run parallel, it looks like you are being followed. Was in new scientists probably 10-15years. ago. whist I could find the article.

 

[TangoSixteen]

It's like any other phenomina, which have been disproved with advancment of technology.

take spontaneous human combustion, which turns out to be nothing of the sort. Through experiements.

UFOs are the same. Large number is people not understanding what they see. if you live close to an airport, you will occasionally see airplanes which appear to have no blinking lights or, look like they have no wings. But it's just the angle you are looking at them and once they start banking, you see the full shape.

then there is a lot of mistaken identity, either current milliatry aircraft or top secret craft and testing. Just have to look at the sighting of the stealth planes, Sr77 and others. They where all sighted as UFOs and many believed of alien origin.

Or several reportings of a saucer with several smaller circles, funny that America released blue prints which are identical to what people drew. Apparently America never built or tested them.

then natural phenomena. That so far we do not understand.

Things like ball lightning, do Aliens cause earthqaukes, or do earthqaukes cause some natural phenomena. we don't yet understand. i know which one is more likely.

There's also that hill range in Australia, with a road either side that runs parallel. People thought they where being followed by Aliens. Turns out after investigations, that in certain atmospheric conditions, car beams can be reflected/refracted over the hill. As the roads run parallel, it looks like you are being followed. Was in new scientists probably 10-15years. ago. whist I could find the article.

All this is fine, and probably accounts for MOST of the sightings by numpties.

However, what about military pilots that see craft hover beside their planes, then streak off instantaneously?

What about the Rendlesham incedent?

All the sigtings reporting things moving at such high speed that its almost not "Earthly" ?

I think most of us realise that the majority of sightings are complete ********, but the genuine ones are seriously amazing, and thats just reading them.

I REALLY WISH someone could get a photo of the Calvine, north of Pitlochry, on August 4, 1990 incedent.

 

[Glaucus]

However, what about military pilots that see craft hover beside their planes, then streak off instantaneously?
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Natural phenomena and/or new planes.

just because they are milliatry does not mean they know what the new tech being tested is. It also does not make them infallible to the mind playing tricks. It makes it less likely, but not zero.

why does it have to be a craft, it could well be a ball of plasma, or something else the earth is creating naturally. Sightings often go hand in hand with earthquakes. it's something like 90%. So are aliens causing earthquakes or earthquakes causing some phenomena.

 

[mrk]

It's the crap sightings that often overshadow the genuine ones and people of a high standing who do see these things (pilots, ranking military officers, other civil servants etc) don't come out and speak up because they're classified as crazy due to all the public who see something earthly and instantly call it an alien ship.

It's a swings and roundabouts situation but like you said, even Nasa astronauts have said they have seen things in Space, on the Moon and there are various NASA videos too that show objects in the distance making unnatural manoeuvres and so on. Even Buzz Aldrin has spoken out about something they saw on the Apollo 11 mission that was L shaped after they looked through a telescope and sharpened the viewfinder.

 

[Glaucus]

in the distance making unnatural manoeuvres and so on. .

Hmmm, so what did you use to gage distance.

That is a load of rubbish when people say things are in the distance. There is no knowing how far the object is. you have no idea of size and you have no reference points. So how did you work this distance out.

there will be lots of odd things in space, behaving oddly as we are use to how things look an act on earth. Does not make them Alien origin. You just have to look at CT reasoning on why moon landings where faked to understand this point. They try applying Earth logic to another planet. Things like the boot print, light reflections and no stars in photos.

 

[mrk]

Hmmm, so what did you use to gage distance.

That is a load of rubbish when people say things are in the distance. There is no knowing how far the object is. you have no idea of size and you have no reference points. So how did you work this distance out.

there will be lots of odd things in space, behaving oddly as we are use to how things look an act on earth. Does not make them Alien origin.

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It's not close by because it can't be clear what it is therefore it is somewhere in the distance, the tether incident for example, the tether breaks apart and floats away for many miles yet the objects seen trail the tether, move in front of it and behind it rapidly, several miles = in the distance no? Where else would it be? in their pockets?

It is clear that the object is moving on its own accord though because you can quite clearly see them moving in all directions on the NASA videos. NASA have not been able to confirm what they are either.

That doesn't mean they are alien - who's to say that another country hasn't been testing Space vehicles at the same time and kept it heavily secret?

 

[Glaucus]

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It's not close by because it can't be clear what it is therefore it is somewhere in the distance, where else would it be? in their pockets?

That makes no sense, they could as many including nasa say, are water and other particles around the space ship. You do not know there distance and you can not rule out close proximity to teh ship.

It is clear that the object is moving on its own accord though because you can quite clearly see them moving in all directions on the NASA videos. NASA have not been able to confirm what they are either.
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Actually NASA have said they are particles in close proximity.

 

[grudas]

i would not be surprised if they started to charge some UFO taxes! :O

 

[Cosimo]

i would not be surprised if they started to charge some UFO taxes! :O

That won’t raise a lot.

 

[mrk]

That makes no sense, they could as many including nasa say, are water and other particles around the space ship. You do not know there distance and you can not rule out close proximity to teh ship.


Actually NASA have said they are particles in close proximity.

That's one theory though isn't it another is ice crystals, another is debris, another is something and so on. There is no confirmation. They could be natural or earthly or alien(however unlikely) - they were there though and they were moving in front and behind the tether which was several miles in length.

There are a lot of other Nasa Shuttle videos showing objects coming close to Earth, then a flash emerges from Earth's direction and the object instantly zooms away in another direction. Are they particles too then?

You can even hear radio comms operators back at mission control and the shuttle where they start saying one thing and pause, then say another, like "activity" [pause] changes to "data"

There's more to this picture than you'd like to believe and I'm more siding with it being secret operations testing new crafts from Earth.

 

[Glaucus]

There's more to this picture than you'd like to believe and I'm more siding with it being secret operations testing new crafts from Earth.

Nope, it's just you putting several different video clips together and reading more into it. Rather than taking each video clip on it's own.

One video clip of several items appear to fly toward other and a change in direction. it could well be particles and thrusters.

There was another clip of something that appeared to be in the cloud level, I forget what nasa said it was,

That's one theory though isn't it another is ice crystals, another is debris, another is something and so on

That is one and the same theory. Ice particles and any debris around the ship from launch/ manoeuvres.

So now you are saying they might of been close, even though two posts ago you said they must have been at some distance.