Man of Honour
Where did I say they might be close now? I've seen the video clips on their own fyi.
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You said they where not close and had to be far away.
Then a few posts later going the particle is one theory, so therefore accepting it maybe close.
Don
TangoSixteen, I crown you the new OcUK UFO guy.
The previous ones have been down right crazy, you seem pretty level headed
The previous ones have been down right crazy, you seem pretty level headed
Man of Honour
AcidHell2 I don't think you have read properly at all and are putting a spin on my replies :/
I was agreeing with you that particles is one theory, another theory is space debris and so on. I didn't say it /was/ close and thus changing my tune all of a sudden.
And yeah, if they weren't far away where exactly were they if they were shown on the video to be moving in front and behind the tether which is several miles long itself and because it appears fairly small in the video it must therefore be, get this, in the distance?
I was agreeing with you that particles is one theory, another theory is space debris and so on. I didn't say it /was/ close and thus changing my tune all of a sudden.
And yeah, if they weren't far away where exactly were they if they were shown on the video to be moving in front and behind the tether which is several miles long itself and because it appears fairly small in the video it must therefore be, get this, in the distance?
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Man of Honour
I've only mentioned 2 videos and the discussion was about the tether video...which isn't hard to find but here it is:
Yeah one expert saying it's particles may well be the case but how do they explain the particles moving around behind the tether which is floating away throughout the entire video? The voice says it's 12 miles long as well so the particles must have been huge no?
Unless it's a new space phenomenon that we're still unaware of! But yeah, nobody has made a solid "this is what it is" yet unless I've missed it!
Yeah one expert saying it's particles may well be the case but how do they explain the particles moving around behind the tether which is floating away throughout the entire video? The voice says it's 12 miles long as well so the particles must have been huge no?
Unless it's a new space phenomenon that we're still unaware of! But yeah, nobody has made a solid "this is what it is" yet unless I've missed it!
would help if you said that.
It's heavily zoomed in. they aren't passing behind it. if they where, you are talking about absolutely massive objects. Several of the close up donught things appear to pass behind it, even though they are "massive".
How would they, unless they chased one of the objects in the camera and captured it.
Soldato
Voyager 1 has travelled at 38,030 mph and was launched in 1977, I'm sure E.T. has something with a little more punch
Travelleing at the speed of sound at one time would have been inconceivable and unachievable.
HEADRAT
we could get to our nearest star in a fraction of that. I can't remember exact figure but it's something like 2 decades years, certainly with in one lifetime anyway. if governments would grow some balls and ignore hippies and resurrected the Orion project. Although not much money in space ATM.
Except if they are particles, you wont see all which is happening, things colliding with each other. Gas venting from manoeuvring thrusters and a hole hose of other things that can change speed and direction.
Man of Honour
The distances are just too unimaginably huge though!
A light year (5,865,696,000,000 miles according to hsw) using the speed of Voyager~ would take 21,585 years to cover!
Bit too long if you ask me using "known" Earth space vehicles
A light year (5,865,696,000,000 miles according to hsw) using the speed of Voyager~ would take 21,585 years to cover!
Bit too long if you ask me using "known" Earth space vehicles
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Bit too long if you ask me using "known" Earth space vehicles
Slower than I thought, but Orions projected top speed was 8-10% of speed or light
Or a cheaper version costing 0.1 US GNP(anyone know how much that is?) 3.3% so if I work that out correctly a mere 133 years to our nearest star. Short enough to be do able for a probe.
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Man of Honour
133 years would require cryostasis surely for the occupants and mission control would have changed hands by 2 generations by the time they'd even passed a pinhead of a distance astronomically!
A more future benefiting turn would be continue funding projects like the LHC and perhaps others too, find these particles that make up the remaining parts of the universe and then start to understand them because then we'll be playing with how everything in the universe is connected.
I think within the next 50 years we will make some profound discoveries to help space travel.
A more future benefiting turn would be continue funding projects like the LHC and perhaps others too, find these particles that make up the remaining parts of the universe and then start to understand them because then we'll be playing with how everything in the universe is connected.
I think within the next 50 years we will make some profound discoveries to help space travel.
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Can people stop talking about bending time and space, and warp holes etc. I was watching a program the other day about the bermuda triangle and they started randomly using these phenomena as an explanation for events. We barely understand the physics of these phenomena, so for you to say it is possible to traverse the universe like that is stupidity, you have no evidnce for it, you've simply heard it on sci-fi films and regurgitate it. Of all places in the universe to go, why would aliens (even if "warpholes" were a possible method of transportation) come to this galaxy and our planet only to **** about making maps on crops and mutilating some cattle... " i know science me" no you don't, shut up stop spouting physics nonsense..
Man of Honour
What program did you see then....
The Bermuda triangle is one of the most heavily used regions of water in the world and so it's natural for incidents there to happen more than anywhere else but even so the majority of the reports from there were incorrectly reported and spun (and so began the paranormal side of this region).
Years ago I watched a SciFi program on it about how it was strange magnetic waves and so on, then some years later saw about it on Discovery which explained it to be not much different to any other parts of the world, just due to its high traffic and bad press it became something fantastical.
More stuff on the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle
As for bending space and time, it exists. Black holes do it, why the long face?
The Bermuda triangle is one of the most heavily used regions of water in the world and so it's natural for incidents there to happen more than anywhere else but even so the majority of the reports from there were incorrectly reported and spun (and so began the paranormal side of this region).
Years ago I watched a SciFi program on it about how it was strange magnetic waves and so on, then some years later saw about it on Discovery which explained it to be not much different to any other parts of the world, just due to its high traffic and bad press it became something fantastical.
More stuff on the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle
As for bending space and time, it exists. Black holes do it, why the long face?
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that made me chuckle
.. i just mean.. its sometimes a cop out- for people to say that aliens use warp holes. We know very little about warpholes (if anything!), and so it is just as an empty argument (if we are looking for evidence based explanations) as saying " god put the aliens there"- he may well have done, but where is the proof.. our knoledge of the insides of blackholes is zilch, and for the forseeable future will remain, zilch.... while warpholes etc may well be easier to explore, at the moment we have no evidence to support any useful function.. i admit i don't want to believe in aliens, i like to sleep at night, and i'm not commenting on the validity of videos etc, but i found that one argument (forgot who said it, a page back) a cop out against the argument about the timescales needed to traverse galaxies..
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anything with mass, bends time and space, black holes have lots of mass (although not neccersarily huge densities, it should be noted), and so their escape velocities exceed the speed of light. Unfortunately people sometimes have the idea of space being a 2d plane, and come to the assumption, if i can fold it in half, i can reach the other end. Well i am far from a theoretical physicist, and i'm not going to say somthings impossible, but i do get frustrated when people come up with half baked excuses when they don't have the evidence, and certainly not the qualifications to do so...
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Man of Honour
that made me chuckle
In an agreeing way or disagreeing?
Massive objects like black holes, stars and huge planets do bend light (and therefore must also bend spacetime because light travels through it).
It's also one aspect of gravitational lensing, something Astronomers are using to look at distant planets so far away that the Hubble alone can not look at with its bare eye.