next gen console not powerfull enough for crysis , LOL

I enjoyed the 360 but you just can't beat pc gaming you get to see games in all there glory not to mention the mods you get in pc games.

I got caught in the "hype" thing with the 360 as no doubt lots of us did as the same happend with the ps2 and its amazing "emotion engine thing" which never really did anything it said it could as will happen with the next gen consoles they wont' deliver what was promised.

The fact crysis are saying this now kinda says it all really no one can argue what the 360 and ps3 can do maybe just not as much as we all hoped.

No one seems to remember that most of pc gamers have decent rigs so when crysis comes out its not going to cost £1500 to run it for most will just be a upgraded graphics card, am pretty sure a x1900xt or a 7900gtx will run crysis fine as it is but for the dx10 lovelyness a new card will be needed.
 
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I think the main issue with crysis is that it's such a complicated new engine, that it would have to be totally rebuilt and recoded to actually work efficiently on the 360/PS3, and a simple porting would just not do, the game would have had to be built from the offset to run on that specific hardware. We'll likely see games that look on par with Crysis once developers on the console platforms in the coming years, however, by that time, PC hardware will have moved to the next level, where consoles would not be able to run things at all.
 
DaveyD said:
Cost of a PC to run Crysis on full detail when it comes out: £1500+
Cost of console, £300, though both PS3 and 360 would be able to run it, just a little downgraded in detail, where only the hardcore gamer would probably notice/care.

I know which my wallet prefers
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Crysis if it lives upto the hype will be one of the best games made in recent times (for me HL2 is an example of one of the best games) you cant put a price tag on that and not having it on a console is a blow as they will miss out on a potentialy amazing game
 
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Crysis if it lives upto the hype will be one of the best games made in recent times (for me HL2 is an example of one of the best games) you cant put a price tag on that and not having it on a console is a blow as they will miss out on a potentialy amazing game
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Thing is, FEAR was supposed to be like that, as was Doom 3, as was Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2 was the only one that came anywhere close to 'best game' for me personally, and each had many people upgrading for just these specific games. I do hope that Crysis is an amazing game that would want me to upgrade, but I'm not going to get my hopes up, as FarCry, though good, wasn't spectacular. Same with STALKER, that seems to get too much hype and could potentiall be a total flop because of the amount of time it has been hyped up and the development time.
 
Wonderful. Another PC vs Console thread. Just what we need.

Its funny how console owners forget a lot of the extra costs of a console and that PCs are designed to do far more than games.
And.
Its funny how PC owners forget that 99% of the good looking PC games can be done on console if time was put into them.

There we go. Both sides summed up. :p
 
BoomAM said:
Wonderful. Another PC vs Console thread. Just what we need.

Its funny how console owners forget a lot of the extra costs of a console and that PCs are designed to do far more than games.
And.
Its funny how PC owners forget that 99% of the good looking PC games can be done on console if time was put into them.

There we go. Both sides summed up. :p
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Yeah, but I can't get my postcount up without putting up an argument :( :p

I'm trying to be on the fence(ish), with it, though I'm really not too fussed about the whole issue personally, I can see exactly where everybodys point of views are coming from as I've had the same views over my time of gaming, just I've adapted a little and think I've got a better overall understanding. Or I just waffle my arse off and talk pants as usual :p
 
Don't forget that you sell your old PC gear when upgrading. I upgrade my PC once every 2 years or so and have been able to play all the latest games with ease. My last upgrade was when the 6800Ultra was the top dog :cool: , I'm waiting till DX10 till my next upgrade, so it doesn't work out too expensive. Sure theres people who buy a new gfx card every time a new one comes out but thats not necessary.

I also have an Xbox360 but don't really play it because i don't want to spend £50 on a game when i know i wont like it. The games I'm waiting for are Resident evil and Alan Wake.

Mark
 
Im with BoomAM, some funny comments from either side of the bridge in this thread..

I especially liked "Surely it defeats half of the point of a console if you have to lug a TFT around with you?" Because before TFTs everyone used to lug their raytube TVs around with ease.. :p

But honestly, thread title is a bit misleading, the latest consoles are powerful enough, you can see that when you compare it to the PC equivalent hardware, which can run Crysis.

As for game prices, i hope your not an xbox owner if you dont know you can pick up the latest games for £30~.

PS. How much is Vista expected to retail at?
 
gord said:
Im with BoomAM, some funny comments from either side of the bridge in this thread..

I especially liked "Surely it defeats half of the point of a console if you have to lug a TFT around with you?" Because before TFTs everyone used to lug their raytube TVs around with ease.. :p

But honestly, thread title is a bit misleading, the latest consoles are powerful enough, you can see that when you compare it to the PC equivalent hardware, which can run Crysis.

As for game prices, i hope your not an xbox owner if you dont know you can pick up the latest games for £30~.

PS. How much is Vista expected to retail at?
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I'd have guessed for retail boxed version to be well over £150, OEM a little cheaper. So it's all going to be fun cash to spend just for Crysis :p
 
£40 is the cheapest Ive seen :eek: , is £30 for the older games?. I'm sort of in between with consoles and PC, i use PC for FPS and console for racing games and adventure games like resident evil.

I think its a shame it wont be out for console though as theres a lot of people who cant afford the latest hardware and will be missing out on a good game :( . Plus i bet they will loose a lot of cash as the performance PC market is small compared to the console market.
 
The whole "you need to buy a flashy HD screen for xb360, add that to the cost" argument makes me laugh, because it's not as if that's a cost solely dedicated to using the console, you are also getting a nice telly for your money. And it's gonna be pretty hard playing games on a PC if you don't have a monitor :)

For the record, I'm not a console fanboy (the most modern one I've ever owned is the SNES) and much prefer PC gaming, but I can see why some people are willing to put up with the flaws of consoles due to the better value. IF you are a fan of, say, beat'em'ups, arcade racers and platform type games, and not all that bothered about high end visuals and framerates or configurability of games, then they are quite an attractive proposition.

Anyway, good news about Crysis. At least this means it won't be crippled and dumbed-down for console gamers.
 
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The whole "you need to buy a flashy HD screen for xb360, add that to the cost" argument makes me laugh, because it's not as if that's a cost solely dedicated to using the console, you are also getting a nice telly for your money. And it's gonna be pretty hard playing games on a PC if you don't have a monitor :)
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Thats one of the factors for me, as I'm so used to the crisp picture of a monitor my 32" CRT TV looks awful with my xbox360. So for me to get the most from my 360 I'll need to buy a HDTV :( . Also replacing my CRT TV with an LCD would look worse for television programs from what Ive seen. I could play it on a normal monitor but Ive heard it doesn't look as good as its designed for widescreen so then id have to have black bars at the top an bottom of the screen giving me a very small viewing area.

Mark
 
DaveyD said:
Cost of a PC to run Crysis on full detail when it comes out: £1500+
Cost of console, £300, though both PS3 and 360 would be able to run it, just a little downgraded in detail, where only the hardcore gamer would probably notice/care.

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guess it depends how good your PC is really, if you like running a high spec PC to play games on then it makes sense to just go down the PC route

buying a Xbox360 in addition to owning a high spec computer seem's pointless... depends how much console time you have i guess and how badly you take not having the odd game come out for PC
 
unless im reading this wrong, they arent saying the hardware isnt powerful enough, mereley that static API is a hinderance and makes it unviable to console port the game?

infact i reckon that in FY07, the majority of PC's playing this game and most others will infact be less powerful, or only just as powerful as their console counterparts...
 
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Thats one of the factors for me, as I'm so used to the crisp picture of a monitor my 32" CRT TV looks awful with my xbox360. So for me to get the most from my 360 I'll need to buy a HDTV :( . Also replacing my CRT TV with an LCD would look worse for television programs from what Ive seen. I could play it on a normal monitor but Ive heard it doesn't look as good as its designed for widescreen so then id have to have black bars at the top an bottom of the screen giving me a very small viewing area.

Mark
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Yeah but my point is, it's not as if this fancy HDTV you want is going to do nothing but play xb360 games, you are also getting a nice TV for normal usage. And conversely, if you want to play games on a PC, you need to buy a monitor too. Cheaper than a top notch TV, to be sure, but still a cost that is sometimes overlooked.
 
While I think an Xbox 360 or PS3 will easily run Crysis as long as its adequately optimised, I still think the graphics on Xbox 360s are hyped slightly and a lot of the screenshots and movies we see are misleading.

For example take the new RS Las Vegas game, it looked bloody amazing when I viewed the standard definition movie and the downsized screenshots, but when I viewed the HD (720p) video it was kinda of ... bleh ... my X1900 XT could slice through those fancy effects and crappy textures for joke! Plus the frame rate got kinda choppy when the casino firefight scene came up; what the hell are those three 3.2ghz cores for?
 
i know many people wont feel the same as me

BUT

i was a pc gamer, decentish pc, upgraded the GFX card for bf2, then could olny run stuff at medium, i was sick of upgrading, bought a 360, and im having great gaming fun , not having to worry about spec sheets, cheaters online and failing hardware. i have a laptop for ocuk and pc stuff etc

some people like me, tried the 360 and loved it, gave up pc gaming, others just couldnt adapt and went back to the PC

as for crysis, its just another, this game is mint and will be ultimate!!!11 , sort of game, which half life 2 only came close to achiveing, and £1500 isnt worth it for just one game
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You know something, I actually reckon quite a few people would happier with PC gaming if it was LESS impressive, and had the high settings in modern games removed. So, what we call 'medium' settings are rebadged as 'high', and then people feel happier because they can push all those lovely sliders fully to the right, and tick all those pretty boxes in the menus.

I've read countless posts from people complaining about not being able to run games on max settings with their new graphics card(s), but what they often don't seem to comprehend is that just because a game is running on medium, doesn't mean to say that it looks bad (especially in comparison with older games, or console titles).
 
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