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Adam Senior said:
Says you, the developers actually making *** game say otherwise...
next gen console not powerfull enough for crysis , LOL
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Says you, the developers actually making *** game say otherwise...
£1500 is a stupid price, to run most games in great detail would probably cost around the £700 - £800 mark. And for that you get all the benefits of editing home made movies and burning. Edit photos taken with your digitial camera, shop online, instant message and use webcames with friends and relatives all over the world.
When you upgrade your computer, you can sell your old parts and put that towards the cost of your new machine cutting the cost again. Over a 1up, some guy said that one retailer wants your PS2 and 25 games for £50 off the PS3.
Brand new games for the PC can cost anything from £17.99 to £30, which over time will probably save you enough to upgrade your computer again.
And then the greatest thing of all, mods. Mods can double the life of a game and even make it double the fun. One thing consoles will never be able to compete with.
I love consoles but if you want high end gaming and *really* care about graphics, nothing comes close to a PC.
When you upgrade your computer, you can sell your old parts and put that towards the cost of your new machine cutting the cost again. Over a 1up, some guy said that one retailer wants your PS2 and 25 games for £50 off the PS3.
Brand new games for the PC can cost anything from £17.99 to £30, which over time will probably save you enough to upgrade your computer again.
And then the greatest thing of all, mods. Mods can double the life of a game and even make it double the fun. One thing consoles will never be able to compete with.
I love consoles but if you want high end gaming and *really* care about graphics, nothing comes close to a PC.
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Ulfhedjinn said:Correct me if I am wrong, but don't all those effects get added for only a single frame purely for the photo? That's hardly an example of "what it can do," as a Geforce MX440 could do those sorts of graphics at 1fps too.
Plus its not full resolution (1280x720) or uncompressed. I've said it before and I'll say it again; compressed, downsampled images are very misleading since they conceal the small inaccuracies found in all games. In any case those graphics you posted arn't too complex, they just look good because of the post effects used (common on most PC graphics) that arn't practical during actual gameplay.
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You should really put the fanboys to rest by mentioning how much it's just costed you to go from the spec in your sig to your new rig.Slyvester said:
I will go first, old rig: -
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 Motherboard
AMD Athlon64 Newcastle 3400+ Processor (@ 2.7GHz)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro Cooler
2GB Corsair Value DDR400 Memory
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 256MB
New rig: -
Gigabyte 965P DS3 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Processor (@ 3GHz)
Scythe Ninja Plus Silent Cooler (Passive Mode)
2GB GeIL Ultra-Low Latency DDR2-800 @ 4-4-4-12
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB (soon to be XTX+ speeds.)
Total cost out of my pocket? £90, and I have not even sold all of the components out of the old rig yet. The upgrade from the rig before that to the socket 754 system above also only costed me about £110!
You might get £40 back for a second-hand Xbox, how much is that cutting off the total cost of an Xbox 360?
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Ulfhedjinn said:You should really put the fanboys to rest by mentioning how much it's just costed you to go from the spec in your sig to your new rig.
I will go first, old rig: -
Gigabyte GA-K8NE Socket 754 Motherboard
AMD Athlon64 Newcastle 3400+ Processor (@ 2.7GHz)
Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro Cooler
2GB Corsair Value DDR400 Memory
Sapphire Radeon X1800XT 256MB
New rig: -
Gigabyte 965P DS3 Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Processor (@ 3GHz)
Scythe Ninja Plus Silent Cooler (Passive Mode)
2GB GeIL Ultra-Low Latency DDR2-800 @ 4-4-4-12
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB (soon to be XTX+ speeds.)
Total cost out of my pocket? £90, and I have not even sold all of the components out of the old rig yet. The upgrade from the rig before that to the socket 754 system above also only costed me about £110!
You might get £40 back for a second-hand Xbox, how much is that cutting off the total cost of an Xbox 360?
LOL! Well from spec in my sig, to Conroe @ 3ghz, 2gB of RAM and X1900XT. Total of £300 spent. So Xbox360 with a second hand game or this beast, with all my current games, which will feel new with the update in graphics. I think it's money well spent.
The difference between an Xbox and an XB360 is much greater than that between the two systems you mention though. An Xbox is what, 2001? tech, compared to your a64/x1800xt system which would have been top of the line as recently as 18 months ago (maybe faster cpu and only an x850xt-pe gfx)
A fairer comparison might to be compare the cost of upgrading from a 2001 system (1800+/512meg/gf3 or similar).
A fairer comparison might to be compare the cost of upgrading from a 2001 system (1800+/512meg/gf3 or similar).
No mate the only thing even reasonably new in my system was the X1800XT, and quite frankly that costed me peanuts too because I sold my previous graphics card (X800 GTO², which also costed me peanuts) for £110.HangTime said:
The rest of that PC was bought just under three years ago when I was playing Star Wars Galaxies. I had a Socket A 2700+ with a Geforce4 MX440 at that time, I switched out the motherboard and graphics (again for peanuts) and then switched out the whole system.
All these upgrades costed me peanuts, because in the end, PC components have an insanely higher resale value than consoles do. All you're doing here is agreeing with me that consoles have a downside in that they cannot be upgraded, they just hang around for a long time until they depreciate like mad in value and then people buy an entirely new one.
It wouldn't be fairer to compare the cost of upgrading a 2001 system to a modern one, because I and many others didn't. We always had options available to us and our components didn't depreciate in value as bad as consoles do.
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Man of Honour
Slyvester said:
True, a decent spec machine for current top spec games will cost you £700-800, but if you're comparing buying new to buying new with regards to buying a brand new console or brand new Pc, then you're going to be losing a lot of cash difference. And for Crysis, if is anything like FarCry, will need a beast of a system to start enjoying super pretty full detail effects, so a new DX10 card, at time of release, £300-£400, take a copy of Vista, £150-£200, CPU, £120-£150, 2GB Memory, £120-150, Motherboard, £70-80, PSU £50-80, case, £30-80, Monitor £200-£400, ignoring speakers and peripherals, it's £1,000 to £1500ish, and I guess it would run perfectly on a SLI/Crossfire system, but that's a little extra / extreme.
The videos I have seen of Crysis all look super pretty to me and they have been done on an X1900 Crossfire system.DaveyD said:
My current system costed me £90 all-in, I could upgrade it to Crossfire for another £250 (even less if I sell my motherboard for a Crossfire chipset.) So it would cost me nowhere near that much to play Crysis in super-pretty settings.
As for DirectX 10, Crysis looks fantastic in DirectX 9 mode, and I am not buying a whole new OS to play one game.
Nor do I have to, thanks to the variation in PC hardware and software.
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Man of Honour
Ulfhedjinn said:The videos I have seen of Crysis all look super pretty to me and they have been done on an X1900 Crossfire system.
My current system costed me £90 all-in, I could upgrade it to Crossfire for another £250 (even less if I sell my motherboard for a Crossfire chipset.)
As for DirectX 10, Crysis looks fantastic in DirectX 9 mode, and I am not buying a whole new OS to play one game.
Upgrading is all well and good though, but look at it from the perspective of somebody wanting to buy a gaming system new, say they only have an old PC worth £50.
And that point of DX10/DX9 leads back to the original post, where a 360/PS3 could probably run the stuff at the slightly dropped detail levels.
If they're playing it without a HDTV then it's a bit more than "slightly dropped" detail levels, to be quite honest. Since they need a HDTV (becuase apparently we "need" DX10 and we "need" Vista) then it's costing more than what my whole current PC would have in total (whole PC, monitor, 5.1 speakers = roughly £800) if I had not sold any previous hardware at all.DaveyD said:
If they want a quick solution, a console is definitely their best option, but it's going to cost a lot more in the longrun to buy console after console after console. I am simply outlining the strength of the PC in that once you buy one, it's infinitely upgradable for utter peanuts if you put some thought into it.
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DaveyD said:
It's a fair point, and I can't argue with it, a PC will cost a lot more than a console. But the benefits surely out way the cost. If they spend £1000 it's not going to be for one new game. I'm sure a lot of games next year will make use of DirectX10. And as I said before, movies, internet, webcams, school work if you have children or even for yourself. That £1000 covers a lot more than Crysis.
Whereas £300 to £400 for consoles where I may buy 10 games max throughout the history of the console. And the games alone would cost me £500, that's close to what my new rig cost if I didn't sell my old stuff.
Ulfhedjinn said:
Well, the peanuts add up in the end
By your own admission, you've done at least another upgrade during the lifecycle of the xbox (new mobo/gfx/cpu back in 2003).You talk about PC components having an insanely higher resale value compared to consoles, I'm not sure I agree - take that £40 you say the xbox is worth now. How much are expensive PC components of a similar age worth now - say a gf3-ti500? It's not an apples-to-apples comparison you are making. I may as well turn round and say that consoles have a higher resale value than pc components, because xbox360s have dropped in price less than FX-51 cpus.
Yeah, but get back to me in 20 years and we will add up the peanuts I have spent upgrading my system over and over and compare them to the bigger peanuts people have spent buying console after console after console.HangTime said:Well, the peanuts add up in the end
Of course it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, because it's PCs and consoles, and consoles do not get tech updates anywhere near as often (which means they depreciate a lot worse in value before new tech comes out.)HangTime said:
Ulfhedjinn said:
What I'm saying is that it is unfair to talk about depreciation when you've already replaced some components in the meantime. It'd be like buying two cars, 2 years later do a complete overhaul of one of them (call it car B), add all the bells and whistles, better engine and all the trimmings bla bla bla. Then in the 5th year turn round and claim that car B has held it's value much better.
If my x1800xt and 3700 @ 2.8 cant run this game in DX9 mode at a respectable frame rate then it can sod off I'm afraid. I'm getting a bit cheesed off with PC gaming lately. The gap between hardware (gfx especially) upgrades shrinks each time, but the gap between decent original games grows larger. Gotta draw the line somewhere I'm afraid.