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And spare beds because hospitals don’t have enough. That was the case even before the pandemic.
NHS=Negligent Health Service
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And spare beds because hospitals don’t have enough. That was the case even before the pandemic.
This would be ironic if I ended up one even further away...
Not sure that would get me anywhere. I might call the CCG first to ask what my actual options are.
There was more information available online for NHS England than Scotland. My gf had to queue up on a Monday morning at 8 on the first Monday of the month to get registered. Well first time she turned up at 7:55 and the queue was huge. They accepted enough for the day and she missed out by 2 spots. So we had to wait another month and then this time she showed up at 7:20am and there was already a queue
Managed to register though.
Commissario
Around my way GP's have been doing in person throughout, if you actually need it.
They've been tending to do telephone consultations where possible though, mainly because they kept having people with obvious covid symptoms go in.
Probably well over half of routine GP consultations could routinely be done as well over the phone as in person, and much more efficiently - my GP's surgery used to have a notice in every waiting room with the last months missed appointments and it was typically well over 10% of their total.
GP here won't see anyone in person. They just telephone it in. I've asked staff at the School I work that live across Scotland, West Lothian, East Lothian, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc and no-one has seen a GP since covid. I needed a sick note last year after being ill for about 10 days. She asked me what I wanted her to put down on the form as the reason and if I wanted another week off or not.
I'm pretty sure I still have a chest infection, phoned up for appointment. Phone interview, agreed with my diagnosis (not joking) and prescribed antibiotics for a week. It's actually not fully cleared and I need to phone back for another set of antibiotics.
Man of Honour
To be honest the Legal Departments are supposed to sit on the fence, even though I work for the NHS my job is to make sure that all records are harvested and disclosed to the patients/relatives and I/we try to leave no stone unturned.
This means that what we find can implicate us or prove that the patient has no case.
Many a time I'll see records that show a Breach of Duty but it all gets sent, I wouldn't dare remove anything and of course we can only disclose what we can see.
On a side note our Legal Department has just won an award from the NHSR as being a benchmark for dealing with claims and not to blow my own trumpet a lot is because of my ideas in the past of how we deal with stuff.
have you specifically asked for a face to face? I’m very surprised that your surgery isn’t seeing people face to face. I’ve been seeing about 90% face to face for the last year now, but there hasn’t been a day throughout covid that I haven’t seen someone in person either.
I get more annoyed that people book a tel slot with me when they clearly need to be seen, yet all our patients are specifically asked if they would like to be seen. Telephones and photos are great but they aren’t suitable all the time
What is interesting is the written summary from consultations often bears no resemblance to the actual conversation or situation. So far my wife has had an ovary removed (incorrect) and the wrong side documented as operated on. I've had wrong descriptions too which are on file and play a part of surgical analysis.
So you wonder why they get a load of grief - it's almost like they have a random gibberish note making program.
So you wonder why they get a load of grief - it's almost like they have a random gibberish note making program.
the problems start when they push it as the preferred way, then the only way and make it difficult to get a face to face and service goes down hill.
I bet if you paying £70 for 15mins to go private it won't be over the phone and you won't be rushed in and out within 5 mins.
if you want to push for a privatised health service then I guess teladoc nhs is the way
Todays disclosure about NHS maternity scandal sounds as though it is many complaining that their wish to have a caesarian wan't followed - the NHS isn't a pick what $$$ treatment you want menu ?
the report does not seem to discuss why national maternity mortality is worse than Romania and a number of poorer european countries, the elephant in the room I'd like to see discussed is the average health of uk mothers versus eu countries,
after looking at the sky and other reports on some of mothers involved that didn't shake my opinion
https://news.sky.com/story/shrewsbu...ks-worst-hospital-childbirth-scandal-12576727
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...-to-growing-cases-in-maternity-deaths-review/
(Household watches various soaps - the eastenders plot on the morbidly obese girl having a baby is just irresponsible, normalising such behaviour.)
the report does not seem to discuss why national maternity mortality is worse than Romania and a number of poorer european countries, the elephant in the room I'd like to see discussed is the average health of uk mothers versus eu countries,
after looking at the sky and other reports on some of mothers involved that didn't shake my opinion
https://news.sky.com/story/shrewsbu...ks-worst-hospital-childbirth-scandal-12576727
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...-to-growing-cases-in-maternity-deaths-review/
(Household watches various soaps - the eastenders plot on the morbidly obese girl having a baby is just irresponsible, normalising such behaviour.)
Soldato
Been talking to a few friends this evening and healthcare came up. Some good experiences (the actual process of giving birth via c-section in a hospital was handled well), but also some very negative ones:
- Test results mixed up during pregnancy and only spotted at the end of the day by the nurse who had mixed them up. Result being the parents spent several hours incorrectly believing their baby would be stillborn.
- Antenatal classes simply not provided (used to be before covid, but for this trust apparently over the two years of covid they have just completely failed to find any way to deliver them via zoom or similar, and still refuse to hold them face to face)
- Various really basic admin failures like repeatedly failing to change and address in a system when asked to, and someone else having a telephone consult ring a phone number he's not had for several years despite specifically checking they had the correct number for him.
- Having to wait three weeks for said telephone consult, then another two weeks for the next available appointment after the error, which turned out to be face to face,which he was asked to come two hours early for on the day because they had so many empty slots they wanted to lock up early. Had the appointment in a completely empty GP surgery with no patients before or after him (might explain why the waiting list is so ridiculous if they're running face to face sessions and then not booking anyone on to them).
quick googling suggests the poorer countries have higher rates of birth by caesarian than the wealthy ones.
It's probably cheaper by caesarian? a natural birth can be many hours, whilst a caesarian is like what 15minutes and the babies out then 15mins or so and the mother is back on the ward.
when my ex gave birth by Caesarian it was over crazy fast, it must be way more efficient so surely save $$$
my ex had a split womb and they were worried the baby might not have enough space so seemed C section was her only option, but was in a rich country with private health care and mandatory insurance so not exactly relevant to the NHS.
definitely quicker. It's not cheaper. I've been involved hundreds of caesarean sections. Multiple obstetricians, anaesthetist or two, nurse, HCA, midwife, paediatrician or two depending on risk, subsequent cleaning and sterilisation of the room, single use equipment etc.
Soldato
Like most organisations, the NHS has its good and bad side.
The infusion clinic I attend twice every four weeks to receive treatment for a neurological condition is very good. However I had to push hard through the system to get there, when the consultant tried to fob me off with carpal tunnel - go home and live with it.
I had to attend the Eye clinic at the local hospital last year for a couple of issues and was left most dis-satisfied. After one consultant virtually accused me of trying to bankrupt the NHS, I discharged myself and decided to live with the condition.
My wife has had several less than satisfactory consultations at the GP surgery (and this is pre-Covid), an example being when she had a bad bout of Bell's Palsy. Doctor tried to fob her off saying no treatment, aka "live with it" and she virtually had to bang the table and point out that according to the NHS own websites, a course of steroids and anti-virals is vital at an early stage to clear it up. She got the steroids from a reluctant doctor but had to buy some herbal anti virals. And yes, the condition then cleared up rapidly!
The infusion clinic I attend twice every four weeks to receive treatment for a neurological condition is very good. However I had to push hard through the system to get there, when the consultant tried to fob me off with carpal tunnel - go home and live with it.
I had to attend the Eye clinic at the local hospital last year for a couple of issues and was left most dis-satisfied. After one consultant virtually accused me of trying to bankrupt the NHS, I discharged myself and decided to live with the condition.
My wife has had several less than satisfactory consultations at the GP surgery (and this is pre-Covid), an example being when she had a bad bout of Bell's Palsy. Doctor tried to fob her off saying no treatment, aka "live with it" and she virtually had to bang the table and point out that according to the NHS own websites, a course of steroids and anti-virals is vital at an early stage to clear it up. She got the steroids from a reluctant doctor but had to buy some herbal anti virals. And yes, the condition then cleared up rapidly!
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Does that take into account cost of the room/building/equipment? I'm curious of numbers and if higher personnel use has lower overall cost of tying up a bed/table/room for potentially a day. Also in terms of higher throughput in the sense that its not a direct cost but if they can push more people per hour there’s less need for building expansions, works etc as the city/population grows.
I'm neutral with the NHS. Some of the stories are shocking from my father when he worked there in the labs (misuse of lab resources) and my sisters who both work there as Operating department practitioners. I've used the NHS a couple times and service has been ok (although i was a little ****** when i arranged an appointment at a clinic, turned up and they said the paper work wasn't ready and asked me to come tomorrow... I came and they were closed. I took an extra day off work for that). This is along the lines of what my sisters have said to me previously, "half the people are good, but the other half are lazy jobs worth’s. They just expect their value and worth to go up vs time as opposed to skill or knowledge. There’s a very large attitude of you do the time and get rewards automatically". I also think if people took a bit more personal responsibility there wouldn't be as many preventable/useless burdens on the NHS as there are.
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The NHS is an overrated dumpster fire of a bureaucracy, full of time servers. Why have 1 person to do a job when you can have 3!
I lost both parents to cancer, 15yrs apart and both times the experience of going through the NHS sausage factory was less than impressive, when it came to care. Its a box ticking exercise, Only if you fit their criteria, are you deemed worthy of extensive treatment, otherwise its basically go home, take 2 aspirin and try not to bother us.
Whatever it started out as, its morphed into a national cult, impervious to fundamental change because of the religious like zealotry that its rabid supporters can bring to bear in the media, playing on the fears of somehow seeing an American type health experience being introduced to the UK.
I lost both parents to cancer, 15yrs apart and both times the experience of going through the NHS sausage factory was less than impressive, when it came to care. Its a box ticking exercise, Only if you fit their criteria, are you deemed worthy of extensive treatment, otherwise its basically go home, take 2 aspirin and try not to bother us.
Whatever it started out as, its morphed into a national cult, impervious to fundamental change because of the religious like zealotry that its rabid supporters can bring to bear in the media, playing on the fears of somehow seeing an American type health experience being introduced to the UK.
works in Switzerland really well it seems, mandatory private medical insurance that is.
NHS seems to think everyone should be eternally grateful because they are so lucky to be getting something for 'free'
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Soldato
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Sorry to jump in on this point, but you must push for assessment and, if necessary, treatment.
Regular assessment is vital, to reduce the risk of a permanent, irreversible deterioration.
Can't really go into detail, but don't let them fob you off!