NHS=Negligent Health Service

[NickK]

We all hear about hospitals and doctores being sued for grossincompetence and neglligence.
My own experience of a Negligent Health Service comes form earlier this year and before that. I'd been having inexplicable pains in my left side for a few years. Every time I saw a doctor they just fobbed me off with painkillers that didn't work, despite me telling them that.. Anyway, thigs got to a point this year when |I went again, told them what the problem was and they said there was nothing wrong with me deppite me telling them I kept on having the same pains three times a day, every day. A coupile of weeks later, I HAD to be taken to the hospital TWICE by ambulance in the samer week and still got the same depite me telling them that there was something wrong somewhere and I knew there was. Anyway two weeks later, I ended up in another hopsital where they found out what the problem was (build up of stimach acidand these pains really hurt).
Now the doctor's decided that that I'm not due an inhaler for my athsma yet. Im know when I'm due for an inhaler and it won't be the doctor gasping for breath and needing an inhaler.
There was another case recently where somebody contracted aids after being injected with a needle which had been dropped and picked off on the floor and used on him.

National Health Service? Negligent Health Service more like

If you think that is fun - our only NHS spot for IVF was lost when we moved house as the new health service has to start again from scratch - scratch all the tests. Then they decide that it's too late. Hence spend an arm and leg going private for multiple rounds.

There are other examples.

I think the issue is top down, with the NHS being non-cohesive in what is common, with NHS areas being at the whim of the political system. The fact caring is different to begin a commercial operation is also a complexity that no other organisation has.

 

[arknor]

It's never good, anybody rings me and starts swearing the phone goes down.
I have got the CCTV from our ED Reception a few times so they probably record elsewhere.
Just remember that receptionist is on a band 2, isn't clinically knowledgeable and doesn't need your crap.

And yes, I empathise with you, it can be frustrating.

it was in person.
No shouting.
No aggression.
only merely saying the bad word in the same tone as you would say any other.

the rules are supposed to stop staff from abuse? not stop mentally ill people from receiving access to the NHS?

I can't believe the person who came up with these rules intended to deny people who are fairly calm and not directing any anger or abuse at staff from getting a mental assessment.

the security guard never said a word just watched from a distance.... clearly not thinking I was any kind of a threat to anyone but she was constantly interrupting me as I tried to explain my mental state when responding to her questions.

she was forcing me to explain pretty much everything in front of the whole waiting room, embarrassing and demeaning felt utterly pathetic as 20 people watched on

and we wonder why so many mentally ill people go on stabbing sprees etc, I bet they tried to get help then felt like no one cared and they had no choice.

I literally showed the woman the messages I sent my mum saying I'm going to kill my self, I have no way out etc but she kept asking me "why do you feel like this now?" "what set it off"

seemed like her being offended by hearing certain words was more important than my mental well being so I gave up and left
I never even called her any names or anything as I walked out either, just said "I will go find a bridge" in a raised voice as I was already walking away from her and at the exit doors

I'd love to see you trying not to swear when your in a suicidal state having a break down

swearing in front of someone and swearing AT someone should be seen as two entirely different things especially when your not shouting....


I actually stopped some NHS workers from being robbed in the park opposite the hospital one time before as well..... if I ever see it again I'm just going to stand clapping

 

[fez]

With respect... the drugs are expensive because the companies want them to be expensive.

Every private company tries to make maximum profits but what you have said is a vast oversimplification. Some medications are expensive because they are very hard to manufacture and require things like vast quantities of blood to be processed to extract a particular part of it.

That isn't woke. People have been saying this for decades. It really is getting ridiculous now, just put "woke" in any situation and there is the blame Its lazy and laughable.

Huh, as a general statement it rings true. Just because the phrase woke has come into the common vernacular after this started to be a serious issue doesn't mean its wrong. As a society we have become obsessed with never blaming the individual because we don't want to hurt their feelings or be accused of victim blaming etc. This has been the case for the vaccine roll out which has disproportionately been ignored by certain ethnicities, this is an issue when it comes to weight and many other illnesses.

 

[Scougar]

Every private company tries to make maximum profits but what you have said is a vast oversimplification. Some medications are expensive because they are very hard to manufacture and require things like vast quantities of blood to be processed to extract a particular part of it.

I absolutely was oversimplifying it, and I knew that when I typed it I do realize it potentially read in conspiracy style lol, but I'm not taking it back

 

[fez]

I absolutely was oversimplifying it, and I knew that when I typed it I do realize it potentially read in conspiracy style lol, but I'm not taking it back

I did imagine you in a bit of a tin foil hat writing that

Drug companies are generally scum of the earth but so are 99% of large companies. Most companies simply don't have quite the profit making potential of drug companies and we are dealing with peoples health and potential lives so its particularly emotive.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

the rules are supposed to stop staff from abuse? not stop mentally ill people from receiving access to the NHS?

and how is she know you are mentally ill, do you have a sign on your head?
I'm a suicidal depressive since 1988 but nobody would know it except close family and my bosses who let me go for counseling now & then.

 

[FBi7]

it was in person.
No shouting.
No aggression.
only merely saying the bad word in the same tone as you would say any other.

the rules are supposed to stop staff from abuse? not stop mentally ill people from receiving access to the NHS?

I can't believe the person who came up with these rules intended to deny people who are fairly calm and not directing any anger or abuse at staff from getting a mental assessment.

the security guard never said a word just watched from a distance.... clearly not thinking I was any kind of a threat to anyone but she was constantly interrupting me as I tried to explain my mental state when responding to her questions.

she was forcing me to explain pretty much everything in front of the whole waiting room, embarrassing and demeaning felt utterly pathetic as 20 people watched on

and we wonder why so many mentally ill people go on stabbing sprees etc, I bet they tried to get help then felt like no one cared and they had no choice.

I literally showed the woman the messages I sent my mum saying I'm going to kill my self, I have no way out etc but she kept asking me "why do you feel like this now?" "what set it off"

seemed like her being offended by hearing certain words was more important than my mental well being so I gave up and left
I never even called her any names or anything as I walked out either, just said "I will go find a bridge" in a raised voice as I was already walking away from her and at the exit doors

I'd love to see you trying not to swear when your in a suicidal state having a break down

swearing in front of someone and swearing AT someone should be seen as two entirely different things especially when your not shouting....


I actually stopped some NHS workers from being robbed in the park opposite the hospital one time before as well..... if I ever see it again I'm just going to stand clapping

Somehow, you've managed to go even more full blown retard than your previous big post and the OP combined.

Did you kill yourself after walking away from a place of safety? No. Have you then wasted the time of the staff at hospital? Yes.

Stop being an attention whore.

It's better to be thought of a muppet than speak out and remove all doubt. You have removed all doubt.

Your final paragraph speaks volumes on multiple levels; none of it positive.

 

[Mr Badger]

Somehow, you've managed to go even more full blown retard than your previous big post and the OP combined.

Did you kill yourself after walking away from a place of safety? No. Have you then wasted the time of the staff at hospital? Yes.

Stop being an attention whore.

It's better to be thought of a muppet than speak out and remove all doubt. You have removed all doubt.

Your final paragraph speaks volumes on multiple levels; none of it positive.

You don't think that a weekly "clap for muggers" will take off?

 

[arknor]

and how is she know you are mentally ill, do you have a sign on your head?

I told her what my my disability is at the desk as I first approached....

Somehow, you've managed to go even more full blown retard than your previous big post and the OP combined.

Did you kill yourself after walking away from a place of safety? No. Have you then wasted the time of the staff at hospital? Yes.

dood go read my posts in the instant and this moment, then the ones


I carried on in the mental health thread and tell me I was wasting time?


maybe its because I am bloody retareded with full blown autistic spectrum disorder........ like I told her........ having to announce my problems to everyone

here you go https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/this-instant-and-moment-2022.18944788/page-8

page 8 and 9 then carries on here in the mental health thread
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/the-mental-health-thread.18795553/page-116


read this.... it's the end of the report so a lot is missing.......

don't worry bro mental healths not real and I faked it to a nurse consultant who specialises in autism that came from an autism wing of a hospital...... and the clinical pyschiatrist who was also there but his signature bit is missing from the photo was also easily fooled into thinking autism is a real thing.......

NHS is still like the 80s or something when it comes to mental health.
btw thats from 2011, we got divorced at that time, ive been alone since, I have no one from social services or anything to contact or any support worker that's what I want... but I don't know how to get it.........

I'm wasting time? really? you really believe that? look at my mental state deteriorate over the posts..... too.....


I finally saw my GP anyway so whatever... waiting for social services to get in touch now


but yep clearly I'm a time waster

I'm not a danger to other people only my self btw.... I would never hurt anyone...

literally no whjere to turn but these forums..... pathetic as hell..... Ilog out and don't come back again... after all this crap bye

 

[hurfdurf]

Just rude and can’t control yourself, and expect other people to serve you despite this.

You have the problem, it’s on you therefore to not upset the people you are asking help from. It’s not demeaning to not want to be sworn at and it’s not rude of them to plainly ask your issues, call 111 or the crisis team if you want to discuss these things in private.

 

[arknor]

Just rude and can’t control yourself, and expect other people to serve you despite this.

You have the problem, it’s on you therefore to not upset the people you are asking help from. It’s not demeaning to not want to be sworn at and it’s not rude of them to plainly ask your issues, call 111 or the crisis team if you want to discuss these things in private.

doodo I wasnt rude..... read my posts about it in the other threads....

I'm not sure how you can really help me and I feel like I'm probably wasting your time.

I'm autistic, I keep thinking about suicide for years, there's not a not a day that goes by where I don't think about it.
my life has no value, no purpose, no meaning, it's just waking up and trying to pass the time feeling trapped in my flat until I can sleep.
I'm pretty sure I've been having a nervous breakdown for some time now, months if that's even possible? maybe even longer

but anyone in my situation would probably feel the same to me it seems completely logically so why am I even here I honestly don't know? I went to A&E last night my cry for help.
I was unable to explain my situation to the receptionist at the RVI because I feel barely able to communicate with people verbally.

she was asking me questions like "why do you feel like this now?" "what's set if off"
I didn't really know what to say and didn't seem to be getting anywhere.
I casually swore a few times in sentences whilst trying to explain, just at my normal voice tone, not aggressive or anything and she kept interrupting me and telling me not to swear at her but I wasn't meaning to, I was just unable to cope or think clearly.
by the 3rd time she started lecturing me for swearing I gave up and just walked out.
it's not like there's any privacy I'm already paranoid, people are watching and listening and I just got overwhelmed and pretty much had to walk off before I would have a meltdown in front of everyone else waiting to be treated.

anyway logging oiut so don't bothewr replying and I dont come back

 

[Nickl245]

doodo I wasnt rude..... read my posts about it in the other threads....
anyway logging oiut so don't bothewr replying and I dont come back

There's no point sacking off these forums over some tiny argument mate, just block the ones you don't like and find the nezt interesting thread.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Lots of stuff .............

I feel really sorry for you and you are way up more steps of the ladder than me however even calm you can't use foul language to staff or anybody you don't know.
I know a well placed sweary can make a better impact but you also have to realise that ED Reception is one of the worst places for it.
I empathise with your 'NHS stuck in the 80s' attitude because I was first 'fixed' in the 80s after a stint in a Mental Hospital but 3 years ago I was at an all time low continually thinking about suicide, took a phone appointment (pre Covid) with a Psychiatrist and she just said "We've discharged you"
The funny thing is I could have got worse at that moment but I got better and haven't had a bad episode since.

Be nice.

 

[V F]

I feel really sorry for you and you are way up more steps of the ladder than me however even calm you can't use foul language to staff or anybody you don't know.
I know a well placed sweary can make a better impact but you also have to realise that ED Reception is one of the worst places for it.
I empathise with your 'NHS stuck in the 80s' attitude because I was first 'fixed' in the 80s after a stint in a Mental Hospital but 3 years ago I was at an all time low continually thinking about suicide, took a phone appointment (pre Covid) with a Psychiatrist and she just said "We've discharged you"
The funny thing is I could have got worse at that moment but I got better and haven't had a bad episode since.

Be nice.

 

[Energize]

My GP practice has shown a wilful disregard for patient safety in recent months. Order a repeat prescription for anti-hypertensives? Denied. Reason? "No reason specified".

After having ran out of medication with a BP in a hypertensive crisis range and spending an hour on the phone to reception I am just told, "oh yeah the doctor just wanted to have a review with you". Who cares if I have a stroke in the meantime.

When your standard of healthcare is inferior to a drug dealer you need to ask yourself why you are in the healthcare profession.

**** the NHS.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Honestly my experience the last year. **** the NHS is how i feel too.

I also know its being systematically ruined at certain levels for sure by poor management. It has drastically reduced in scope and service over the years.

I needed an ambulance the other night and they called me an hour after "sending it" with a new revised wait time and said they would not be able to take me to the hospital. They refused to provide another avenue to get there that evening.

This is a rather small issue among many others but for some it can simply be not being taken seriously by their GP and not being seen for a serious illness.

I had to go through multiple steps to be seen by a GP for an issue that left me with severe scarring on my face. The scarring only being permanent due to the length of time taken for the GPS(MULTIPLE) to take the issue seriously. Despite multiple images of the issue being sent, the issue is still on going.

Ive never experienced the NHS in such a poor state that I am feeling forced to go private.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I've been fortunate in that allmmy experiences with the NHS have been positive, aside from my referral to a tinnitus centre where I had an appointment cancelled due to staff absence, and didn't hear back (I've learnt to cope with it).

Some of the big problems with it were revealed when I started working directly for a trust a year ago. I have no issues within my role or colleagues and direct management, they do a great job, but the wider organisation clearly needs a big reform. Having previously worked for a private company with an NHS contract to provide screening services, the difference in efficiency is profound.

Another comment, and this isn't with reference to any examples here, but the abuse the staff receive is totally unnecessary. I understand people get upset and irate, it's perfectly understandable in many cases where someone is suffering from disease or illness, but the cause of their issues is almost never the people they end up venting their frustrations on. It's the same in many customer service roles.

Personally I have a thick skin so tended to tolerate more than most when I worked in similar roles, I found remaining calm and empathetic would usually disarm someone and allow a conversation to follow. I understand everyone has different limits and that's fine, but in my case I wouldn't shut someone down automatically if they started swearing for instance, especially not if it wasn't a direct insult aimed at me.

 

[FBi7]

I needed an ambulance the other night and they called me an hour after "sending it" with a new revised wait time and said they would not be able to take me to the hospital. They refused to provide another avenue to get there that evening.

Perhaps you could tell us all why you "needed" an ambulance? Are we talking a '999 immediately life threatening situation' ambulance, a '999 free taxi and I'll get seen quicker ambulance' (the biggest myth ever in the history of myths) or a non-emergency patient transport service ambulance.

For all you lot saying **** the NHS, I do look forward to you all posting how much your new private healthcare policies are costing you with your pre-existing conditions.

 

[Infidelus]

tl'dr

[mini rant]

Personally I'd call the NHS the Not well managed Health Service. Having worked for them on a number of different contracts I can conclusively state that management have **** all clue how to run the organisation; they can't even do basic administration management. Poorly formatted letters with multiple grammar and punctuation errors, zero clue (or interest) in making IT work for them and too many supervisors that are ****ing useless jobsworths!

[/end rant]

 

[Allnamestaken]

Perhaps you could tell us all why you "needed" an ambulance? Are we talking a '999 immediately life threatening situation' ambulance, a '999 free taxi and I'll get seen quicker ambulance' (the biggest myth ever in the history of myths) or a non-emergency patient transport service ambulance.

For all you lot saying **** the NHS, I do look forward to you all posting how much your new private healthcare policies are costing you with your pre-existing conditions.

I don't need to explain my situation to you if your insinuating I was trying to get a free taxi to the hospital. but the situation I experienced is a small example of many of why the NHS is being brought down systematically. There are reasons that the ambulance service suffers from these issues, locally it isn't simply a matter of lack of drivers and or ambulances.

Way to let the frustration of people posting in here go way over your head. You realise we all wish the NHS wasn't the complete ******* **** pile it currently is.